500 hrs JAR multi crew in light jets
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Yes, the 500 hours Multi-Crew are required before doing the ATPL skills test.
All the hour requirements as stated in LASORS must be fulfilled before doing the skills test.
Just re-read your posting and I am now wondering if you are confusing 500 hours multi crew with the Multi Pilot Airplane type rating.
I had over 500 hours on a B1900, which as Olablade posted is a FAR/JAR 23 plane and the time on this counts as 'multi pilot hours' even though it is not a 'multi pilot airplane'.
If you dont have the 500 hours 'multi crew' then even when you do your first 'multi pilot airplane' type rating this cannot count as the ATPL skills test.
You would have to double the skills test up with an LST some time down the road once you have 500 hours multi crew.
Hope that makes some kind of sense.
All the hour requirements as stated in LASORS must be fulfilled before doing the skills test.
Just re-read your posting and I am now wondering if you are confusing 500 hours multi crew with the Multi Pilot Airplane type rating.
I had over 500 hours on a B1900, which as Olablade posted is a FAR/JAR 23 plane and the time on this counts as 'multi pilot hours' even though it is not a 'multi pilot airplane'.
If you dont have the 500 hours 'multi crew' then even when you do your first 'multi pilot airplane' type rating this cannot count as the ATPL skills test.
You would have to double the skills test up with an LST some time down the road once you have 500 hours multi crew.
Hope that makes some kind of sense.
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Nope, they are two separate ratings under JAR:-
Beech 90/99/100/200 - sub 5700kg (Perf B)
Beech 300/350/1900 - over 5700Kg (Perf A)
Beech 90/99/100/200 - sub 5700kg (Perf B)
Beech 300/350/1900 - over 5700Kg (Perf A)
On one line its the 90/99/100/200 and on another the 300/1900. Doesn't include the 350 though.
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Isn´t the 350 officially the B300?
The 300/300LW as we know them are the 200 airframe with the 1050shp engines. (-67´s?)
The 350 is the longer version. In Germany at least, the 350/1900 is one TYPERATING and the 90-200 is a CLASSRATING. If you have all together, you´re lucky I´d guess or the rules have changed.
The 300/300LW as we know them are the 200 airframe with the 1050shp engines. (-67´s?)
The 350 is the longer version. In Germany at least, the 350/1900 is one TYPERATING and the 90-200 is a CLASSRATING. If you have all together, you´re lucky I´d guess or the rules have changed.
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Multi crew sim hours?
Continuing with the 500 hrs multi crew time, can anyone confirm if you can count multicrew sim hours (e.g. MCC, type rating course, recurrents etc)? LASORS does mention 100 hours sim time can be counted towards your ATPL but the CAA haven't confirmed that you can use these multicrew sim hours to help unfreeze your ATPL.
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The Wording in LASORS 2008 has Changed...
I'm looking into the 500 multicrew hour issue as well and I noticed that the wording in LASORS 2008 differs from that of LASORS 2007.
In the 2007 version, it explicitly recognised hours from "Multi-Pilot Operations on Single Pilot Airplanes". This is in addition to the standard recognition given to hours earned on JAR-25 and JAR-23 Commuter Category airplanes.
In the 2008 version, the "Multi-Pilot Operations on Single Pilot Airplanes" recognition is no longer there. Does anyone know why???
Also, to complicate the discussion slightly, note that the Beech 350 is a JAR-23 Commuter Category airplane, which is recognised by LASORS for the multi-crew experience requirement. But the Beech 200 is a JAR-23 Normal Category airplane and, based on the 2008 LASORS wording, would not count.
Does anyone know what's happening to those seeking to claim multi-pilot hours on aircrafts like the B200?
In the 2007 version, it explicitly recognised hours from "Multi-Pilot Operations on Single Pilot Airplanes". This is in addition to the standard recognition given to hours earned on JAR-25 and JAR-23 Commuter Category airplanes.
In the 2008 version, the "Multi-Pilot Operations on Single Pilot Airplanes" recognition is no longer there. Does anyone know why???
Also, to complicate the discussion slightly, note that the Beech 350 is a JAR-23 Commuter Category airplane, which is recognised by LASORS for the multi-crew experience requirement. But the Beech 200 is a JAR-23 Normal Category airplane and, based on the 2008 LASORS wording, would not count.
Does anyone know what's happening to those seeking to claim multi-pilot hours on aircrafts like the B200?
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Interesting debate...and to add a twist..
I have an MCC exemption based on 500+ hours multi pilot operations in a PA31 Navajo. We were two crew as our AOC required it. I am not sure whether EASA view a PA31 as a JAR 23 commuter aircraft (can't remember the reg, but I think its to do with passenger seats no?) but I think not.
Does this therefore put me in a situation whereby a) obviously its classed as multi-pilot for purposes of MCC, but b) for the issuance of an ATPL the multi pilot hours will not count? (most likely not JAR 23)
I have an MCC exemption based on 500+ hours multi pilot operations in a PA31 Navajo. We were two crew as our AOC required it. I am not sure whether EASA view a PA31 as a JAR 23 commuter aircraft (can't remember the reg, but I think its to do with passenger seats no?) but I think not.
Does this therefore put me in a situation whereby a) obviously its classed as multi-pilot for purposes of MCC, but b) for the issuance of an ATPL the multi pilot hours will not count? (most likely not JAR 23)
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Hi,
I would like to know if the multicrew sim is valid for the 500 multi, in spanish DGAC said: "No it is only for the total 1.500" so I´think that unfourtunately is not valid.
regards
I would like to know if the multicrew sim is valid for the 500 multi, in spanish DGAC said: "No it is only for the total 1.500" so I´think that unfourtunately is not valid.
regards
