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Hmmmm, that would be nice if it was airlines only....Maybe there is still hope!! I'm preparing myself for the worst though!! The chief pilot was supposed to be in Delhi last week trying to work out the DGCA details and I was supposed to hear last week....however, my liason is now out of town till Thursday....hopefully I'll hear something then and I'll update you all when I hear! If I'm expecting a response on Thursday though....it will probably be more like next week! LOL (I'm trying to keep a positive attitude
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Thanks, that's interesting.....you wouldn't think they'd waste their time if they couldn't hire the ex-pats.....well, it'll be interesting to find out what the problem ended up being!! I don't like being in the dark, so started to search out what the problems "could" be, and that's all I came up with?? Looks like I'll just have to wait and see! .....or maybe apply for some of these other jobs....too bad I only have time on the CJ!
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Hello all,
I m Chaitanya, an Indian Commercial Pilot trained in Canada.I reside in Hyderabad where Bjets office s located.Last week I had visit to their office.The response of their staff was really good and their business partner s TATA(Company who recently bought Ford Jaguar).Things are pretty good within the company.But the main issue s DGCA.They have problems not only in hiring but everything.Have a look at this article:
AsiaViews, Edition: 10/V/April/2008
India:
Tata-BJETS air services plan strikes FIPB block
New Delhi, April 2: It is a setback for the Singapore-based aviation services company — BJets — which proposed to foray into India with non-scheduled chartered airline services. Foreign Investment Promotion Board (FIPB) has set aside the BJETS proposal to set up the largest corporate jet company in the country, an official said.
"There is a problem relating to equity restructuring in the Indian subsidiary of BJETS that needs clarification," a senior official said.
BJETS had floated an Indian subsidiary in which Tatas had picked up 37 per cent to foray into providing non-scheduled aviation services. Parent company, BJETS based in Singapore is part of the privately held investment group, Briley. Briley has holdings in aviation, hospitality, business process outsourcing and other related businesses.
But, the FIPB application had mentioned that BJETS India was a wholly owned subsidiary of BJETS Singapore since the company was in the process of clinching the deal with Tatas.
BJETS India, will have to re-submit the proposal to FIPB maintaining that the foreign equity was only to the tune of 63 per cent as against a threshold of 74 per cent.
When contacted, a Tata spokesman said, "The board has sought certain clarifications on the proposal". A senior Tata Sons executive, however, said, "The company would get back to the board clarifying the equity sharing structure in next few days."
A query sent to the BJETS India spokesperson, Mr Jaideep Sippy, did not elicit a response.
The company had aimed at catering to high net-worth individuals (HNIs) and corporates that are jet-setting to clinch major deals across the globe, acquire companies or undertake mergers and acquisitions to expand Indian footprint internationally.
BJets India, the subsidiary of BJets in Singapore, had planned to order 50 jets to be stationed in the South, Southeastern region.
The company had proposed an investment worth $600 million to begin with, in the non-scheduled chartered airline services.
The company had proposed to use the Seletor airport in Singapore as the main base while having yet another base in Mumbai to locate its flights operations centre in Hyderabad.
In September last year, before the deal with Tatas was clinched, BJETS global head of operations, Mr Mark Baier, had said, "We are in the research stage right now and hope to arrive at a conclusion by early next year".
The latest FIPB decision may delay the BJETS foray into India pending final clearance by the government.
By K.A.Badarinath Mayur Shekhar Jha
The Asian Age, 03 April 2008
So it not Bjets but DGCA who s the main culprit.And I will give you small example you know for guy to convert Foreign license to Indian the quickest time s 6 months.
I m Chaitanya, an Indian Commercial Pilot trained in Canada.I reside in Hyderabad where Bjets office s located.Last week I had visit to their office.The response of their staff was really good and their business partner s TATA(Company who recently bought Ford Jaguar).Things are pretty good within the company.But the main issue s DGCA.They have problems not only in hiring but everything.Have a look at this article:
AsiaViews, Edition: 10/V/April/2008
India:
Tata-BJETS air services plan strikes FIPB block
New Delhi, April 2: It is a setback for the Singapore-based aviation services company — BJets — which proposed to foray into India with non-scheduled chartered airline services. Foreign Investment Promotion Board (FIPB) has set aside the BJETS proposal to set up the largest corporate jet company in the country, an official said.
"There is a problem relating to equity restructuring in the Indian subsidiary of BJETS that needs clarification," a senior official said.
BJETS had floated an Indian subsidiary in which Tatas had picked up 37 per cent to foray into providing non-scheduled aviation services. Parent company, BJETS based in Singapore is part of the privately held investment group, Briley. Briley has holdings in aviation, hospitality, business process outsourcing and other related businesses.
But, the FIPB application had mentioned that BJETS India was a wholly owned subsidiary of BJETS Singapore since the company was in the process of clinching the deal with Tatas.
BJETS India, will have to re-submit the proposal to FIPB maintaining that the foreign equity was only to the tune of 63 per cent as against a threshold of 74 per cent.
When contacted, a Tata spokesman said, "The board has sought certain clarifications on the proposal". A senior Tata Sons executive, however, said, "The company would get back to the board clarifying the equity sharing structure in next few days."
A query sent to the BJETS India spokesperson, Mr Jaideep Sippy, did not elicit a response.
The company had aimed at catering to high net-worth individuals (HNIs) and corporates that are jet-setting to clinch major deals across the globe, acquire companies or undertake mergers and acquisitions to expand Indian footprint internationally.
BJets India, the subsidiary of BJets in Singapore, had planned to order 50 jets to be stationed in the South, Southeastern region.
The company had proposed an investment worth $600 million to begin with, in the non-scheduled chartered airline services.
The company had proposed to use the Seletor airport in Singapore as the main base while having yet another base in Mumbai to locate its flights operations centre in Hyderabad.
In September last year, before the deal with Tatas was clinched, BJETS global head of operations, Mr Mark Baier, had said, "We are in the research stage right now and hope to arrive at a conclusion by early next year".
The latest FIPB decision may delay the BJETS foray into India pending final clearance by the government.
By K.A.Badarinath Mayur Shekhar Jha
The Asian Age, 03 April 2008
So it not Bjets but DGCA who s the main culprit.And I will give you small example you know for guy to convert Foreign license to Indian the quickest time s 6 months.
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Hello Chaitanya,
Nice to hear from somebody on the ground in India.
Was there any indication to what this equity "clarification" means in terms of operational delay?
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Nice to hear from somebody on the ground in India.
Was there any indication to what this equity "clarification" means in terms of operational delay?
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Hope this article might add some information regarding India's Expats hiring policy
Indian Government tells airlines not to hire foreign co-pilots
NEW DELHI: The government has asked domestic carriers not to hire foreign co-pilots as there is already a glut of Indian co-pilots, with airlines getting anywhere between 20 to 40 applications for each position.
In a meeting with airlines, the aviation ministry said it could understand that India still has a shortage of trained commanders/captains and airlines may have to hire expats. But as far as co-pilots go, airlines need to select desi ones.
At present, India has 944 foreign pilots - 810 commanders and 134 co-pilots. Airlines like Indigo, Alliance Air, Jet, Air India and Blue Dart have the maximum number of expat co-pilots. Others like SpiceJet and JetLite don’t have any foreign co-pilot, while Kingfisher and GoAir have one each.
An airline official said: ‘‘Sometimes we have to hire foreign co-pilots as they have type rating for flying a plane like the A 320 or Boeing 737. In that case, they can start flying the moment they join us.’’
On the other hand, hiring a fresh Indian co-pilot means that airlines have to first get a type rating for the aircraft they will have to operate. This means sending commercial pilot licence holders abroad for training on simulator of planes like an A-320 or Boeing 737, something that takes a few months and costs anywhere up to Rs 7 lakh.
A fresh CPL holder can join an airline as co-pilot and then get type-rating (training to fly a certain aircraft). Once a type-rated pilot flies for between 1,500 and 2,500 hours, he or she becomes a commander/captain. At each level, the salary jumps from - Rs 60,000-80,000; Rs 1-1.5 lakh and Rs 2-2.5 lakh.
Now government is not willing to buy lack of trained pilots excuse of airlines to hire expats. In fact, Monday’s diktat of not disregarding Indian co-pilots is the second move in as many months to protect Indian students who spend anywhere upto Rs 22 lakh - almost everyone takes an education loan for this - to become a pilot.
source: The Times of India
Indian Government tells airlines not to hire foreign co-pilots
NEW DELHI: The government has asked domestic carriers not to hire foreign co-pilots as there is already a glut of Indian co-pilots, with airlines getting anywhere between 20 to 40 applications for each position.
In a meeting with airlines, the aviation ministry said it could understand that India still has a shortage of trained commanders/captains and airlines may have to hire expats. But as far as co-pilots go, airlines need to select desi ones.
At present, India has 944 foreign pilots - 810 commanders and 134 co-pilots. Airlines like Indigo, Alliance Air, Jet, Air India and Blue Dart have the maximum number of expat co-pilots. Others like SpiceJet and JetLite don’t have any foreign co-pilot, while Kingfisher and GoAir have one each.
An airline official said: ‘‘Sometimes we have to hire foreign co-pilots as they have type rating for flying a plane like the A 320 or Boeing 737. In that case, they can start flying the moment they join us.’’
On the other hand, hiring a fresh Indian co-pilot means that airlines have to first get a type rating for the aircraft they will have to operate. This means sending commercial pilot licence holders abroad for training on simulator of planes like an A-320 or Boeing 737, something that takes a few months and costs anywhere up to Rs 7 lakh.
A fresh CPL holder can join an airline as co-pilot and then get type-rating (training to fly a certain aircraft). Once a type-rated pilot flies for between 1,500 and 2,500 hours, he or she becomes a commander/captain. At each level, the salary jumps from - Rs 60,000-80,000; Rs 1-1.5 lakh and Rs 2-2.5 lakh.
Now government is not willing to buy lack of trained pilots excuse of airlines to hire expats. In fact, Monday’s diktat of not disregarding Indian co-pilots is the second move in as many months to protect Indian students who spend anywhere upto Rs 22 lakh - almost everyone takes an education loan for this - to become a pilot.
source: The Times of India
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Hi everybody,
Writting to share some info...:
I Did the assesment on the SImulator in Gatwick last February. They were satisfied by my performance so they told me that my profile was good to go on the left seat directly. I 'm still waiting for an answer since then.
After some emails without reply I really wonder if they just stepback my application or is just the Indian CIvil aviation's conjuncture??
Anybody in a similar situation??
Cheers and good luck.
Writting to share some info...:
I Did the assesment on the SImulator in Gatwick last February. They were satisfied by my performance so they told me that my profile was good to go on the left seat directly. I 'm still waiting for an answer since then.
After some emails without reply I really wonder if they just stepback my application or is just the Indian CIvil aviation's conjuncture??
Anybody in a similar situation??
Cheers and good luck.
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Bad news for me!! The problem is what I thought, and they aren't hiring anymore ex-pats for their FO's 
For those of you that don't have enough hours to be captain, I wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be waiting for any responses!
For those of you that don't have enough hours to be captain, I wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be waiting for any responses!
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well I have posted a bunch a posts previous to this, if you ready back you'll see more of the story, but I was told to give notice to my employer as I'd be starting on the CJ2 around April 15th, but when there were delays, I started doing some research and asking questions to my liason here in Canada. Turns out the chief pilot was in Delhi at the time, trying to work out something with the DGCA, so he could hire expats as FO's, but they wouldn't budge! That's all I know! They are working on the issue from Canada as well, and I will have a definite answer in 30-40 days, but I'm not holding my breath!! It's too bad because I was SO looking forward to this job!! The schedule I've dreamed of since the beginning
I could have been mislead, but there would be no reason to lie, they could have just not hired me!?
I could have been mislead, but there would be no reason to lie, they could have just not hired me!?
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No smackid, it's not just you.
What you were told is true. The company tried to get the DGCA to agree to a waiver allowing them to use ex-pat FO's but they wouldn't budge. It's a real shame because I met some nice people who were going to kick start their careers through BJets.
The only hope is that the ensuing carnage will bring the Indian government to it's senses. If they insist on companies hiring sausage factory, ink-still-wet-on-the-licence CPL's it's going to be...................interesting.
What you were told is true. The company tried to get the DGCA to agree to a waiver allowing them to use ex-pat FO's but they wouldn't budge. It's a real shame because I met some nice people who were going to kick start their careers through BJets.
The only hope is that the ensuing carnage will bring the Indian government to it's senses. If they insist on companies hiring sausage factory, ink-still-wet-on-the-licence CPL's it's going to be...................interesting.
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I agree, I'm glad someone feels the same way!! I really liked the chief pilot, and was looking forward to it. I agree, it would have been a good jumpstart, but I wasn't all take and no give, I do have my type rating! I hope they change their minds(
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Hello all !
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It really is unfair that the DGCA has brought this ruling in, I just wonder if the UK brought in this ruling what would happen ?
I think it would be great experience for any pilot to go out there for a few years and I think that experience on your CV would put you at the top of any pile on a desk.
What exactly is the experience required for a skipper on the CJ fleet ? it would be something to aim for if you already have the TR.
Good Luck
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It really is unfair that the DGCA has brought this ruling in
, I just wonder if the UK brought in this ruling what would happen ? I think it would be great experience for any pilot to go out there for a few years and I think that experience on your CV would put you at the top of any pile on a desk.
What exactly is the experience required for a skipper on the CJ fleet ? it would be something to aim for if you already have the TR.
Good Luck
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Hi
A great shame that the DGCA have been a little short sighted in making this ruling.
Look at the requirments of other successful Biz jet operaters,when it comes to hiring FO's.Apart from that,looking at another TRTO because candidates are having problems "getting through the Type Rating" speaks volumes.
I am one of the candidates that passed the interview and sim ride and I am genuinely dissapointed for myself and other candidates that things haved not worked out.I was really looking forward to the opportunity!
If anyone still has not claimed their expenses from their interview,I have now been given a name address in Singapore to send my claim ,so if anyone wants to PM me,I'll pass the details on.
Cheers.
Look at the requirments of other successful Biz jet operaters,when it comes to hiring FO's.Apart from that,looking at another TRTO because candidates are having problems "getting through the Type Rating" speaks volumes.
I am one of the candidates that passed the interview and sim ride and I am genuinely dissapointed for myself and other candidates that things haved not worked out.I was really looking forward to the opportunity!
If anyone still has not claimed their expenses from their interview,I have now been given a name address in Singapore to send my claim ,so if anyone wants to PM me,I'll pass the details on.
Cheers.