Oceansky recruitment
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Oceansky recruitment
Has anyone yet heard back from the recent Flight International ad for London/Manchester based flightcrew? I'm based down south so interested in London base for either CJ3/LJ45/60. Any idea about the package, roster etc?
I'm not type rated on these aircraft but have multi crew turbine experience as an FO. Hopefully they'll be willing to type new guys!
Thanks!
I'm not type rated on these aircraft but have multi crew turbine experience as an FO. Hopefully they'll be willing to type new guys!
Thanks!
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It does state that "preference" will be given to type rated pilots, so I guess that means they'd accept non-type rated applicants. However, note that for all positions, (even the CJ3!) jet time is required. My only guess as to why that would be is that tired and outdated excuse - insurance. 
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Just spoke to a buddy of mine who flies airbus and wants to get out of airline.... He applied but got a "thanks but no thanks" due to "lack of bizzjet experience". Fair enough if thats what they are looking for but something for you guys to keep in mind. He prob got around 6000 hrs with 2500 bus and TP command...
Good luck to all!
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Good luck to all!
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I didn't even get a reply - 10 years on jets with a couple of years in corporate. Not the correct type rating though. That's just the way it goes - there's definitely an element of luck in getting the 'right' job and it pays to have a thick skin. Keep plugging away - you never know what'll turn up.
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That maybe fair enough for the CL600s, Lears etc but where are they going to get the pilots for the CJ3? Don't tell me you need stacks of biz jet time to act as co-jo on a CJ3! 
I currently fly a Citation 550B and would have thought I have enough relevant experience to get a reply from these guys but nothing! I suppose no news is good news, in a way!!
I currently fly a Citation 550B and would have thought I have enough relevant experience to get a reply from these guys but nothing! I suppose no news is good news, in a way!!
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C/PWith due respect to Airline Pliots Ad Hoc flying which Ocean Sky is cannot getadjusted to theVarious changes that take place on an Hourly Basis let alone a Daily Basis.I Know Airpline Pliots who have joined an Air Taxi/Charter Company and there first whine is .I need to know they Day before where Im going and for how long. I have also heard them at Interviews saying it wont be a problem with Roster Chanes at short notice then the first Roster change they get they complain.I am sorry to be so blunt but Airpline pliots do not on the whole make good Pliots in this businessSorry to be so Blunt ..
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And some corporate pilots wouldn't fit in at an airline and freight pilots wouldn't hack it in the military etc etc blah blah blah..........jeez.
I know a plumber and do you know something? He can't build a brick wall to save his life. This has all been said before and is hardly news
learjet. I'm sure you thought there was a point in your post somewhere but I'm buggered if I can find it. Then again it is a bit like trying to read alphabetti spaghetti. Give us a fighting chance would you and type in English?
I know a plumber and do you know something? He can't build a brick wall to save his life. This has all been said before and is hardly news
learjet. I'm sure you thought there was a point in your post somewhere but I'm buggered if I can find it. Then again it is a bit like trying to read alphabetti spaghetti. Give us a fighting chance would you and type in English?
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I did not apply for ocean, planned to but after my buddy got his answer I guess there is not much use in applying either (as my background is almost identical to his), but I have decided that I want to swap over to bizjets and that Im done doing airline. I have some applications out and I have been invited for a couple of interviews, so that shows that having no previous biz experience does not mean that you can't get the jobs that are around. Now, if I would take that decision without taking roster, pay, etc etc in to account, I would be a total idiot, right? So to say that "airline guys" don't fit in biz ops or the other way around is BS! It depends on who you are and why you decide to do one or the other. Some guys here looks a bit narrow minded or perhaps bitter? Did someone with airline background get the job that you did not? If thats the case, then Im sorry for you, sucks not to get the job you want, but don't take that out on all the other "airline" guys.....
Another thing is, if I was recruiting for a biz op I would probably rather take a "airline" guy with 10 years flying experience in for interview than take a guy with 2 years in some small corporate outfit....Why? Well the way I look at it is that I am looking for someone with a lot of aviation experience, learning to adapt to the operation as such (taking care of costumers and perhaps solving issues that traditionally is operations job in an airline) is something MOST people can learn and something I can assess during the interview. Its called personality, first impression, how he/she acts when introduced to my colleagues during an interview or when I show them around our office etc etc.
Then it all depends, am I recruiting a guy that I plan to put 6 months in the right seat and then upgrade? Or a FO who will be "stuck" for 2+ years in the right seat? Recruiting for long haul, short haul? Biz airbus or Citation II?
Good luck to all!
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Another thing is, if I was recruiting for a biz op I would probably rather take a "airline" guy with 10 years flying experience in for interview than take a guy with 2 years in some small corporate outfit....Why? Well the way I look at it is that I am looking for someone with a lot of aviation experience, learning to adapt to the operation as such (taking care of costumers and perhaps solving issues that traditionally is operations job in an airline) is something MOST people can learn and something I can assess during the interview. Its called personality, first impression, how he/she acts when introduced to my colleagues during an interview or when I show them around our office etc etc.
Then it all depends, am I recruiting a guy that I plan to put 6 months in the right seat and then upgrade? Or a FO who will be "stuck" for 2+ years in the right seat? Recruiting for long haul, short haul? Biz airbus or Citation II?
Good luck to all!
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Back to the subject....
Does anyone know about the package they offer? Salary, roster, LOL etc.
I have received an e-mail that I am selected for further consideration...
3100 hrs total, 1200hrs jet with 300 of them on Bizjets
Cheers
Does anyone know about the package they offer? Salary, roster, LOL etc.
I have received an e-mail that I am selected for further consideration...
3100 hrs total, 1200hrs jet with 300 of them on Bizjets
Cheers
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Well said Learjet 50
I personally know of one ex-airline guy (25yrs with a flag carrier) who couldn't even get the weather of the computer when he came into corporate!!
That's what happens when you are used to having a cast of thousands behind you!
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I personally know of one ex-airline guy (25yrs with a flag carrier) who couldn't even get the weather of the computer when he came into corporate!!
That's what happens when you are used to having a cast of thousands behind you!
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I think many, possibly even most, biz jet operators would go for the guy with 2 years corporate experience compared to the 10 year airline guy. As anyone with any corporate experience will tell you the flying is the easy bit! All the other 'management' during day to day operations is very much left to the guys upfront. Of course in a decent outfit you'll have operational backup but it still pays to 'manage' what's going on. Catering, cleaning, getting the plane ready, requesting fuel and the plethora of paperwork are just some of the daily chores. Not to mention last minute schedule changes, eg. doing 4 sectors instead of 2, going to Liege instead of Nice, what!!??
and the general buggering about that seems to happen quite often!
I've seen it myself airline guys with loads of experience just can't cut it in the biz jet world for the reasons mentioned above. However, those airline guys that do prosper in this side of professional aviation and I've seen a few, seem to have the corporate pilot mindset already.
You need to ask yourself whether you do!
Good luck!!
I think many, possibly even most, biz jet operators would go for the guy with 2 years corporate experience compared to the 10 year airline guy. As anyone with any corporate experience will tell you the flying is the easy bit! All the other 'management' during day to day operations is very much left to the guys upfront. Of course in a decent outfit you'll have operational backup but it still pays to 'manage' what's going on. Catering, cleaning, getting the plane ready, requesting fuel and the plethora of paperwork are just some of the daily chores. Not to mention last minute schedule changes, eg. doing 4 sectors instead of 2, going to Liege instead of Nice, what!!??
and the general buggering about that seems to happen quite often!I've seen it myself airline guys with loads of experience just can't cut it in the biz jet world for the reasons mentioned above. However, those airline guys that do prosper in this side of professional aviation and I've seen a few, seem to have the corporate pilot mindset already.
You need to ask yourself whether you do!
Good luck!!
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....it still pays to 'manage' what's going on. Catering, cleaning, getting the plane ready, requesting fuel and the plethora of paperwork are just some of the daily chores. Not to mention last minute schedule changes, eg. doing 4 sectors instead of 2, going to Liege instead of Nice, what!!?? and the general buggering about that seems to happen quite often!
....those airline guys that do prosper in this side of professional aviation and I've seen a few, seem to have the corporate pilot mindset already.
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To back up Crosswind Limits on this one, it comes down to attitude and the law of averages.
To change from airline to bizjet, you need to completely change your attitude. Will you be happy cleaning the toilet, doing Jepp ammendments and not knowing what you'll be doing from one day to the next on RHS bizjet pay after you've achieved a lot of airline command experience and the associated pay level? If so, for how long?
So, while it comes down to the individual, and some will make that transition, the law of averages is against it and bizjet operators, whose training resources tend to be far more limited than the airlines, are mindful of that.
Good luck with OceanSpray,
Chips
To change from airline to bizjet, you need to completely change your attitude. Will you be happy cleaning the toilet, doing Jepp ammendments and not knowing what you'll be doing from one day to the next on RHS bizjet pay after you've achieved a lot of airline command experience and the associated pay level? If so, for how long?
So, while it comes down to the individual, and some will make that transition, the law of averages is against it and bizjet operators, whose training resources tend to be far more limited than the airlines, are mindful of that.
Good luck with OceanSpray,
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many moons ago we employed an ex flag carrier Captain. One day he was convinced the the flight had a delay because the Pitot Covers were still on. (the young goffer was sick that day) He missed his slot, we missed giving a client a good service.......I am not sure if he missed his job though.
Not all are like this but you have to be 110% sure the guy will empty the lav at 03,00 in the middle of Africa!
Not all are like this but you have to be 110% sure the guy will empty the lav at 03,00 in the middle of Africa!
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Guys, the airline people that you talk about does hardly exist anymore and as someone already stated, "It sounds like any LOCO outfit today".... Welcome to the orange world! 
Only time I can see any real truth to it is with some of the cadets that our airline industry is producing today. They go straight in to airline ops without any GA or commuter type operation and will perhaps miss some hands on experience that the "rest" of us have seen in previous lives....
Still convinced that it is a personality aspect rather than previous type of experience....
Just back after 4 sectors.....that was 2, four hours before I checked in...and we had problems getting fuel down route so had to chase up the fuel guy myself...and update an expired flightplan! Almost a bizz day!
And remember guys, we are not doing rocket science here...bizz or not!
Good luck to all, airline and biz!
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Only time I can see any real truth to it is with some of the cadets that our airline industry is producing today. They go straight in to airline ops without any GA or commuter type operation and will perhaps miss some hands on experience that the "rest" of us have seen in previous lives....Still convinced that it is a personality aspect rather than previous type of experience....
Just back after 4 sectors.....that was 2, four hours before I checked in...and we had problems getting fuel down route so had to chase up the fuel guy myself...and update an expired flightplan! Almost a bizz day!
And remember guys, we are not doing rocket science here...bizz or not!
Good luck to all, airline and biz!
/CP