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OceanSpray I believe have an ex flag carrier pilot flying for them. From the limited times I have met him he is a top notch guy.
All the best to Bean if he is out there!
All the best to Bean if he is out there!
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Well guys, itīs just another bizjet company. Itīs true you have to be more flexible on the bizjet side. The problem is that you donīt find so flexible people around who can manage a problem without calling half the the employees of the airline.
I fly bizjets, I have background experience on ground ops for a long time and I tell you that it helps quite a lot, almost 90% of the job is how to handle the problems you get on route, flying is just the boring part of it. You sleep in a different country everyday, you go to places where there is just nothing!!!! and I mean it, if you donīt have a really opened mind forget about bizjet jobs.
The good thing is that you fly nice aircrafts, you get empty legs where you can really fly and have fun doing it, you get to places you would never imagine and sometimes you will have to look for them on google earth cause you never heard of them.
But itīs also true you have to do a lot of work, no schedule, you are confined on a square meter cockpit and getting to places like Moscow in winter is life taking for start up. We guys who know these places have fun a lot with new guys that come and donīt know the procedures.
Anyway, I prefer to fly with a guy with 2000 hours on bizjet that 10000 hours of airline experience, probably the airline guy will learn more from you than viceversa.
I fly bizjets, I have background experience on ground ops for a long time and I tell you that it helps quite a lot, almost 90% of the job is how to handle the problems you get on route, flying is just the boring part of it. You sleep in a different country everyday, you go to places where there is just nothing!!!! and I mean it, if you donīt have a really opened mind forget about bizjet jobs.
The good thing is that you fly nice aircrafts, you get empty legs where you can really fly and have fun doing it, you get to places you would never imagine and sometimes you will have to look for them on google earth cause you never heard of them.
But itīs also true you have to do a lot of work, no schedule, you are confined on a square meter cockpit and getting to places like Moscow in winter is life taking for start up. We guys who know these places have fun a lot with new guys that come and donīt know the procedures.
Anyway, I prefer to fly with a guy with 2000 hours on bizjet that 10000 hours of airline experience, probably the airline guy will learn more from you than viceversa.
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Gibberish!!!
Well i've never heard such a load of drivel from all you bizjet guys!!! I've flown for 3 major airlines and whilst working for each one i've had to get involved in catering, sorting passengers, cargo, producing flight plans manual loadsheets the list goes on and on!! And all this on a big 4 engined jet with over 450 paxs..... on a recent diversion to the only available airfield for which we never even had plates I had to sort the refueling panel, manual loadsheets and a manual flight plan... managed to get ops to file it for me tho... sorry if I was being lazy... My god I find it really annoying that you think you are the only ones that have to work!! Brush those huge chips of your shoulders boys and girls and get real... we are all just pilots trying to do the best we can with the available resources... sometimes when you have 450 paxs you have to take into account all of there needs and it sometimes takes a 'cast of hundreds' to organise it!! And Just in case you think i'm being snotty I was up at 5am this morning helping my mate out on his piston twin... getting down in the crap checking his fuel drains and being his lacky.... I thoroughly enjoyed it!!
Oh and by the way... I was phoned by ocean pie 4 weeks ago and asked for my cv... and i've 12 years with the airlines... don't rest on your laurels boys we airline pilots have a lot of experience to offer with our very disciplined environment and professional attitude to getting a job done safely and efficiently and being commercially expeditious. We also don't have anything to prove either ;-) see you there!
Regards PtP
Oh and by the way... I was phoned by ocean pie 4 weeks ago and asked for my cv... and i've 12 years with the airlines... don't rest on your laurels boys we airline pilots have a lot of experience to offer with our very disciplined environment and professional attitude to getting a job done safely and efficiently and being commercially expeditious. We also don't have anything to prove either ;-) see you there!
Regards PtP
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Everybody do their job as best as we can, what you explain we do it everyday on bizjets and probably others do it on airliners. What I meant is that itīs easier the jump to airliners from bizjet than viceversa, you said that you did not have approach plates for your diversion, bad planning, you need charts for your route and area where you fly and I have all jepps on board. Diversions is another factor we do daily. As I said on my post you have to be really open minded for this job.
Everybody do their job as best as we can, what you explain we do it everyday on bizjets and probably others do it on airliners. What I meant is that itīs easier the jump to airliners from bizjet than viceversa, you said that you did not have approach plates for your diversion, bad planning, you need charts for your route and area where you fly and I have all jepps on board. Diversions is another factor we do daily. As I said on my post you have to be really open minded for this job.
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Transilvana... The airfield in question was the only one available to us at the time.... Not one of bad planning!!
The point I was trying to make is that your not some breed of pilot that is better suited to bizjet flying with some kind of special adaptability skills!! We all as pilots have the same skills to enable us to do our jobs as professional as possible. Whether it be GA or airline so please try and show the same respect to your airline brethren as you'd show to your colleagues :-)
Regards ptp
The point I was trying to make is that your not some breed of pilot that is better suited to bizjet flying with some kind of special adaptability skills!! We all as pilots have the same skills to enable us to do our jobs as professional as possible. Whether it be GA or airline so please try and show the same respect to your airline brethren as you'd show to your colleagues :-)
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Here we go again. Another airline pilot with an ego who's took offence to someone elses' opinion!!!
Seen many come mate & many fall, however, just for you ptp, I have seen some gooddens' too.
Take Care. BB
Seen many come mate & many fall, however, just for you ptp, I have seen some gooddens' too.
Take Care. BB
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You might have to empty the odd bog, ask a handling agent for a refueler or run into M&S somedays for catering and possibly load a few bags into the aircraft. Wow, you guys are astonishing! And even have your duty changed on you!! "your off to Nice instead of Rome now", cor! Sort out all your own Aerad updates da de da? How would an ex airline chap cope, you biz bods are truly something. I think I will stay in my cotton wool coated, safe and pandered to airline, how one would cope with the job of a biz jet pilot is beyond me!!
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I think both industries have fecking huuge chips on their respective shoulders and we both generalize grossly to be contentious on place like here. I have met arrogant twits in both industries and I wouldnt work in either if I had to base it on this minority.
I suggest everybody winds their necks in and respect each other for what we are.. aviators,where common sense and airmanship define who and what we are.
I think in the name of fairness, we should say that freightdogs are grubby nightfliers and all ex forces pilots are one track minded non-crm cowboys... there!.. everybody feel equally offended now and my job is done here.
I suggest everybody winds their necks in and respect each other for what we are.. aviators,where common sense and airmanship define who and what we are.
I think in the name of fairness, we should say that freightdogs are grubby nightfliers and all ex forces pilots are one track minded non-crm cowboys... there!.. everybody feel equally offended now and my job is done here.
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Having done both (airline & biz) extensively, i can say with some confidence that unless YOU have done both, yer talking out of yer @ss... so there 
(oh, and BTW, bizjets wins hands down any day of the year as far as brains and energy required go... sorry.)
(oh, and BTW, bizjets wins hands down any day of the year as far as brains and energy required go... sorry.)
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Also done both......last 2 posts just about right!!
I would have to give the edge SLIGHTLY to the biz jet guys, however, that is not to say I disregard or have no respect for anybody who flies airline, far from it......it's just that the biz jet guys have a few more balls to juggle out of the cockpit!!! Thats all.
I have no doubt the anybody coming from an airline background would adapt easily to the biz jet world but, like I said earlier i have witnessed first hand, some shockers, whom I wonder how they ever got flying for an airline in the first place!!
I would have to give the edge SLIGHTLY to the biz jet guys, however, that is not to say I disregard or have no respect for anybody who flies airline, far from it......it's just that the biz jet guys have a few more balls to juggle out of the cockpit!!! Thats all.
I have no doubt the anybody coming from an airline background would adapt easily to the biz jet world but, like I said earlier i have witnessed first hand, some shockers, whom I wonder how they ever got flying for an airline in the first place!!
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Interesting thread...
Anyone have any idea why the bizjet safety record is so much worse than the Airline one? E.G. Bizjets have an appalling altitude bust record - are you Guys emptying the toilets whilst flying a SID?
Anyone have any idea why the bizjet safety record is so much worse than the Airline one? E.G. Bizjets have an appalling altitude bust record - are you Guys emptying the toilets whilst flying a SID?
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Once upon a time, I worked for an airline (now a 'regional loco) that bought a few stretched biz-jets for commuter use and employed several ex biz-jet pilots to help fly them. The word from HQ was that they did not settle in particularly well. To be honest I had several 'interesting' conversations with some of them which did not endear me to their cause. I don't believe airline or exec flying to be any more difficult than the other. They are just different and some people adapt to change better than others. I'd love a go at exec flying but I realise it is very different in certain aspects. I have several friends flying bizjets, all of whom are ex airline. Some love it, some don't. The bottom line is we are all pilots..lets respect each other's area of expertese.
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Understand these guys are linked is that correct: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=298701