Vista Jet

[mustangbill]

Hi folks,

somebody invited to the new Ass.? Any news about the selection ?

Need urgent informations!

Thank you !

[FliegerTiger]

Well it's funny how you don't need these courses to fly an Airbus commercially....

[discoveryman]

Could I just ask if anyone has been invited to an interview within the last few weeks ?

I sent off an email application over two weeks ago but to date I've not even had an ackowledgement that they have received it.
Is this normal ?

Thanks.

[CaptainProp]

Discoveryman - check PM.

[mustangbill]

Hello CaptainProp,

Any news about the AC ?


Mustangbill

[Iver]

For newhires who meet the minimums (e.g., 2000 hours), what are the likely aircraft to start in as an FO? Lear 40XR or Lear 60XR? Beyond a type or time in type, what sort of experience would be required to start in a larger aircraft like a Challenger 300 or 604/5?

Does anyone know how many (estimate) pilots will be hired through the end of 2008?

[INNflight]

For newhires who meet the minimums (e.g., 2000 hours)

They have also had low-timers ( = 500tt plus ) hired, all go on the Learjets, F/O seat.

First TR has to be self-sponsored ( ), 2nd TR after some good time in the company ( usually the CL604/5 ) will be paid by company.

[discoveryman]

Anybody been for an interview recently ? Any information and advice about what subjects to revise would be gratefully received.

Thanks in advance.

[inner]

@Time traveller:

It is NOT madness. You join the company, so you have to do what they ask you. It is that simple. The fact that you can fly a 370 seat plane is irrelevant.

You have proven what i always say about arrogance of some airline pilots.

Good luck anyway.

[CaptainProp]

"Paid out of the individuals' pocket"? If you are working for another operator you should be current on these courses anyway. All Vista is asking is that you should be current when joining.

I believe some authorities gives operators a time window, after hiring new crew, where they have to complete these courses in-house. So if you are current when joining it gives the company some flexibility.

Good luck!

/CP

[G-SPOTs Lost]

Time Traveller

Why is it I am deemed safe to fly a 747 with self briefings and 2 day recurrents, and not safe to fly an aeroplane 40 times lighter with this same level of training?

Indeed why?

So where are you flying your 747 without MNPS or RVSM training within the last 24 months.

[Twin2040]

Hi - My friend is working on a large 4 engine Aircraft - made in Toulouse..... has very good allround experience, geografic and previous GA Command, has applied to VISTA last week only. He has close to 6000 hours TT.
Looking through previous posts in this tread - I tend to agee to some of the earlier things said about VISTA.

I did recommend him to apply to VISTA - I am in NJE - and he is looking for a DEC and time to Command in NJE are getting longer.

He had a reply from Karolin in VISTA: stating that he had to bring forward his salary expects - Is this some Bazar, where you haggle ? , no word about what they had to offer, Schedule etc.

Further she was again asking for Long Range certificate ( his on the A340), Did she ever hear about JAR ?.
plus all the courses, like first aid, RVSM.
It would make you look stupid - asking your current employer for these certicates and then pretending no to be about to leave ............... You still dont nave a firm offer from VISTA.

If VISTA is planning to compete head on with NJE - wake up in Salzburg !!!!
and get HR and not at least Karolin up to speed - they have a long way to go

[wondering]

FYI: Just out today, the new (increased) pay structure at Vistajet will not come out any time soon. With the high tax rates in Germany/Austria and no tax free flight pay, take home pay is substantial less than NJE etc.

[Iver]

I guess they assume they can get pilots on the cheap with XL, Futura and possibly some Alitalia crews looking for jobs right now. That's too bad but not surprising.

With that said, can anyone speak to the QOL/schedule one might expect at Vista Jet? Is there a set schedule like NJE or is it more fragmented? Does schedule change based on fleet (i.e., Lear 60XR vs. Challenger 604/605)? Pay is a very important factor but it is not the only factor for consideration - better detail on roster/QOL would be appreciated.

Lastly, how long is seat-lock on specific fleets? If you get hired into the Lear 40 fleet, how long before you could bid another fleet?

[INNflight]

If you get hired into the Lear 40 fleet, how long before you could bid another fleet?

As I said on page three, you'll join on the Lear 40 and 60 (unless you have a CL604, CL300, etc... TR I guess), have to self sponsor that TR, will be on the fleet for 1-3 years if you are low hrs, less if you have some, will most likely get a 2nd TR (usually CL604/5) paid by the company and stay there on the right hand seat too.

Usually if you ATPL is unlocked at 1500hrs you are likely to get onto the Lears for Command, but I think that's up to the individual, you could probably stay as FO on the CL.

Disclaimer: That's what several friends working there say, current: Jul08

[Iver]

Cheers INNFlight. Vista Jet is up and running (unlike Jet Republic) and it sounds like it might be a good alternative to NJE if you like that kind of flying. I would expect many furloughed pilots will be looking into Vista Jet and I hope the financial crisis won't completely slow the process.

[Grecian2000]

no aircraft management?

i think there was an earlier comment in this thread stating that the Vistajet aircraft are not managed on behalf of owners.

this is an interesting perception

from my experience, it is very unlikely that there are no aircraft owners in the background, when large or small bizjets are being operated there is almost always an owner or owners in the background covering the overheads. otherwise its a very risky business model!
aircraft owners often like to stay out of the spotlight for personal, financial, or political reasons (we have seen that many times before..) but they are usually there...

and before someone says "what about Netjets" well they dont own their aircraft either, the fractional owners do, and these share owners pay the overhead through their monthly management charges. If netjets had no aircraft share owners then they would not be able to function either.

if vistajet do own all that heavy expensive and no doubt highly leveraged metal...its a brave model, even braver than Jet Republic, but personally I would expect there are some big guys owning those aircraft in the background. Which is fine, its a more secure business model.

[deskjockey101]

Some Clarity

Grecian

Just to clarify. There are NO owners other than the person that owns VistaJet. In terms of the risk, it is always interesting to discuss business models but let me suggest that if you really want to know how to make money out of a large fleet, call a local taxi, work out where they came from (their head office, or the nearest one available) and then look at what they charged you. Ad into this how much diesel they put in the taxi and how much of it they spend on each individual fare and also if they drop off at the railway station and pick up at the railway station there always seems to be 2.50 on the meter before youve gone anywhere, also where that taxi stays at night. Finally imagine if that taxi didn't have a home to live at, had drivers that could keep it running 24 hours a day, and the company who ran it had offices all over the country and customers who loved the service because the drivers were great and the taxi was always new!!

Don't let the traditional business jet mentality blind you to common sense. Remember, what other industry has had a monopolistic player at the helm for over 10 years, with a business model that is 26 years old!!!!!!, and in addition made some fundamentality disastrous mistakes about 4 years ago!!! As Dylan said "the times they are a changing"!!

DJ101

[FLEXJET]

surprised...

I thought Flavio B. was the owner of CL605 OE-IFB... Did someone lie to me?

[Grecian2000]

Deskjockey from your posts I see you are a Vistajet employee?

commendable loyalty to the company line... however the fact still stands that where there are jets, there are usually owners...... whatever the 'official' line is.