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Old 7th Sep 2008, 19:15
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40%???? So for a starting F/O the pay is pretty poor i think.
And what amount of hours do they fly in 1 month?

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with 40% tax the salary is just CRAP !!! Think about Health insurance and Pension as well

What kind of Company is it that makes you pay for Flights and Hotels during Typerating ?!?

Thats the problem with fu***** russian money in the Background, they want it all cheap cheap cheap
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"thank you for your email but I am sorry, without long range I can not accept your CV."

Is there a such thing as a long range certificate?

Oh well never mind, the pay is not that good anyway.
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Old 7th Sep 2008, 21:49
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Before JAA licences were introduced in Germany there was a separate Long Range rating and that rating was necessary to convert your German licence into a JAA one. Assuming that you already hold a JAA licence, they should not even ask for it.
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Old 8th Sep 2008, 11:19
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@DAN1165: Yes, you have to pay the flight and HOTAC during type rating. It is one of the great disadvantage of VIstajet. This affects the ground course/SIM only, not supervision training...
You will get Salary and daily allowances from the first day of ground school on.



@INNER: they are talking about 650 - 900 hours a year. There are some guys who will have to stop flying in the middle of November because they have already 900 hours. But flying hours depending on aircraft type.
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OK 650 and 900h a year is a lot. But of course that's what they are saying. If they bring in the 14ON/14OFF schedule this means you need to fly lets say at least 60h in 14 days. I'm not sure if this is possible when you take the resting time into account.

Seems to me that a lot of things are not sure yet. So be carefull.

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Thanks for all this information. Can I just ask how much allowances / per diems are paid per day.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 8th Sep 2008, 14:31
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I know for sure, that each 604/605 makes 1200-1300 h /year. That is quite a lot. Like most of the other compeditors Vistajet tries to improve. Since they grow very, very fast, things went wrong, but they are able to learn from their mistakes. One thing is, that they will introduce recruiting assessment to see, if someone is generally able to fly high performance aircrafts like the LJ.
The FO Mgr Mr. Ambs is an experienced ex-Lufthansa Cpt. I personally think, that they are on the right track. They offer recurrent training and sim checkrides every year. I know, that this should be normal, but I am long enough in business aviation to know the truth.


@discoveryman: allowance/per diems depends on the country where you are flying to. It is around 30-55 Euros /day. And, when you are flying, food will be serverd by a nice woman
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Old 8th Sep 2008, 15:01
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Thats the problem with fu***** russian money in the Background, they want it all cheap cheap cheap
Not sure what you mean buy this statement, but as far as I know there is no Russian money "in the background" at Vista except for the fact that some of the costumers are Russian.....

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Old 8th Sep 2008, 15:05
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VistaJet

Hello Learjetdriver,

are you sure they start the ass. recruitment next year ?
Do you have any information about the ass. what Sim and ....

Thank you .
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Learjetdriver.

Many thanks for the information.

P.S. Do you get fed up with the smoked salmon and caviar after a few flights
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 07:20
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One thing is, that they will introduce recruiting assessment to see, if someone is generally able to fly high performance aircrafts like the LJ.
Which implies that they dont do that now.... very reassuring
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 07:40
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perhaps a stupid question: does the FO have to clean the toilet????
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 07:55
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Somebody should really educate the HR department on JAR FCL requirements... "Long Range" my ass.... I'll be giving this shower a wide berth.

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Old 9th Sep 2008, 12:26
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My application was turned down as well as I didn't have a "long range" certificate.

My answer was ... "but I have been flying a turboprop!!"

It didn't matter ...... the old cow at the other end of my email wasn't interested!

Mooooooooo
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 13:56
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Sorry to repeat an important question:
More important question, who is the owner of Vistajet and how deep are his pockets? Any ideas?
Anybody can orders a load of aircraft but who is bankrolling it?
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 15:04
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"Long Range certificate" from HR might translate into an "Have you done a MNPS course" on here.........possibly
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 16:16
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It would save a lot of people the work of sending an application if they entered RVSM and MNPS as a requirement on their reqruitment page. As of now it says 500tt and 200 IFR.

Oh and possibly educated the lady that filters the aplications. As i would think very few applicants have this long range how do you get past her?
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 20:45
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BUT RVSM and MNPS are part of the JAR ATPL studies! Anybody who has a JAR ATPL does not need to do a course for these.
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Old 9th Sep 2008, 22:06
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Really? So why do my employers keep sending me to RNAV, MNPS and RVSM courses?
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