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Old 15th Oct 2007, 21:20
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ok , now you've gotten me REALLY curious ( not to say a bit worried ) since I'm considering a move.
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Old 15th Oct 2007, 21:33
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"Ahh, my son. Many are the mysteries of the Netjets contracts. The biggest one of all being how they get away with it "



Not a mystery at all actually!

They just devide their crews into several different contracts in different countries and try to keep it as vague as possible, then spread the signing due dates out over one years time period and voila!

In the mean time ignore inputs from crews, ignore requests for clarification, and hand out goodies to some to keep them happy! Ha, dead EASy, isn't it?
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Old 16th Oct 2007, 13:15
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Air Charter Scotland pilots do 5 on 3 off
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Old 16th Oct 2007, 19:22
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Contract Hangover

Dries

Most of the gripes on this thread ref NJE contracts are from those who were responsible for their own tax on the old contract. On changeover some nationalities lost out due to national tax concessions. The frustration is understandable but I think the Company had to change it's policy. As a new hire it is much as you would expect; you are European enjoying the benefits of living and working in Europe, hence you pay tax! As a Dutch guy I don't think you'll be too unhappy paying 25% basic plus UK NI. Paying UK NI and getting Dutch welfare is a pretty good deal I would suggest.
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Old 16th Oct 2007, 19:40
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Stupidbutsaveable,

Did you actually read thru a new EU nje (non UK, non PRT)contract?

Wether you pay tax here or there is not the main problem for most of the nationalities, but the stuff that's in there, is worst than previous contracts!

Cheers,
A
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 09:21
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for the 22 days with NJE, they came around by selling to the authority 22 days + 6 special days off ....some guys don t even request those SDO and if you ask for they will build the roster to get those SDO in your days off !!! in other world you don t get it as holidays, that s a little tricks ..
About the tax in portugal, NI in UK etc....some guys are happy like the dutch or the German cause they will pay a lot of more in they country but the concern of most of the crew is : Once you have paid for all those years taxes and NI outside your country of residence, (on a lower basis for some ), how can you be sure that once retired or in need of your deserved benefits you will get it ?
To whom are you going to claim your benefit.....Dutchland...Germany ..England ???? Netjets says with the form E111 it will be ok....who can certified today that you will get it ? only the Portuguese and the Brits are cover, everybody else is in a grey area!!!
Now lets imagine that it s time to claim your benefits and your country reject your claim because your contribution through England was too little ...you turn toward England and they send you back to your country because you are not uk resident or citizen...what s next ? call netjets HR ? good luck
Its a dream to believe that with only 5.5 to 8 % of salary contribution to NI you will get those great and expensive benefits from continental Europe where others pay up to 45 % to get it...
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 09:50
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That sounds as a rather messy situation you could very well end up in.
Bureaucrats being what they are and all...Well let's see : you are a Dutchman , living in Holland ( Dutchland;-) , paying taxes in Portugal and you'd like to receive social benefits from the U.K.?
I really don't hear the European anthem playing in the background yet , as I already have some major grievances as it is now , what with living in Holland and paying taxes/NI in Dzjermany...European Union my flying Dutch beh1nd..

@stupidbutsaveable: thanks for clearing that one up.
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 10:04
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My view is same as ice on the wing: If there is a doubt, then, there is no doubt!!!
I did not want to wait until I am an-almost-dead-pilot 65years old to find out the answer...do you?!!
Be my guest.

biz
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 10:08
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back to topic please

"So what have we got

NJE 6 on 5 off?
NJI 7/7
NJME 35/31
Execujet 14/14
Jet Alliance 18/12 (fleet dependant)
Comlux 12/10 (? hearsay)
Global Jet lux 15 / 15 or 20/10 with holidays
TAG 14/14
European Business jets 6/3?
Hangar 8 6/3
LEA 6/3
Gama 14/14 (tba)
DCA (Full time?)
Cirrus 16/13 or 7/4
PrivatAir ?
JCB ?
Eurojet ?
GV Executive ?
Jet Club ?
IJM ?
Bookajet ?
Shell ?
VistaJet ?
Club328 Kaos?"

thanks
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 15:14
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Tag,Moscow base, now on 16 on 14 off plus 16 days leave per annum,(so called 14/14 was actually 16/12 due to positioning on days off) Happy with current deal.
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Old 19th Oct 2007, 22:02
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Roster...

Eurojet that now is AirFour will be 5/3 from middle of November, not always 5/3 maybe sometimes 6/2 ...but not so clear yet with total 10 days off per month and 36 holiday a year
something is changing maybe better
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Old 20th Oct 2007, 00:31
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Retired corporate pilot?
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Old 20th Oct 2007, 10:56
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Actually NJE is 6 ON & 5 OFF. If you are on the large fleet they will vary between 6 ON & 5 OFF and 7 ON & 6 OFF.
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Old 20th Oct 2007, 13:15
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Holiday

As from 1st October 2007 the Working Time (Amendment) Regulations 2007, SI 2007/2079 "boost the minimum holiday entitlement for most full time workers from 20 days a year to 24 days this October, and to 28 days from April 2009" (see 2007/06/12 - DTI Press Release "Extra holidays for up to six million workers").

Under law in force until 1st October 2007 almost every worker has the right to four weeks paid holiday per year, or proportionally for part of a year - so, for example, a full time worker who works 5 days a week is entitled to a minimum of 20 days paid holiday per year and a worker who works 3 days a week is entitled to 12 days paid holiday per year (see notes at Holidays/Working Time Regulations 1998 ).

The 2007 increase takes place in two stages (i) from four weeks to 4.8 weeks from 1st October 2007, and (ii) from 4.8 weeks to 5.6 weeks on 1st April 2009 (postponed from 1st October 2008 - see Hansard HC col 49WS, 12th June 2007). A full time worker who works 5 days a week will thus be entitled to a minimum of 24 days per year as from 1st October 2007 and to 28 days as from 1st April 2009.

The change is phased in on a pro rata basis from 1st October 2007 so, for example, an employee whose leave year begins on 1st April will have a holiday entitlement of:


4.4 weeks in the leave year April 2007-March 2008

4.8 weeks in the leave year April 2008-March 2009

5.6 weeks in the leave year April 2009-March 2010 and thereafter.
Important detail points to note include that it will be possible, if employer and worker agree, for the new additional holiday to be carried forward and that part daysí holiday entitlement will not be rounded up.

The rules regarding time off on bank and public holidays remain unchanged - there is no statutory right to holiday on those days, with or without pay (see Holidays/public and bank holidays ).

There are full details on a special BERR Holiday entitlement website. This includes a BERR Holiday Entitlement "calculator".
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 14:19
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Globaljet is not an option. They are well under crewed and make you go beyond the 15days (way beyond!). The 15ON/15OFF is not even an illusion...
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 14:36
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Hi

Good thread this !

when you say ''way beyond'', how much beyond and do they compensate you for it ?


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Old 28th Oct 2007, 15:00
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No compensation at all (just per diem...). crewing level varies on every fleet. The hawker fleet is probably the one suffering the most...
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Old 30th Oct 2007, 18:52
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Hello !!

Hi

Good thread !

Would like to see it get some more info on the rosters of bizjet operators also min req's for hiring !

Anyone know anything about bookajet ? and whom should be the lucky recipient of my CV !

PM's most welcome



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Old 28th Nov 2007, 18:11
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ratings for benefits, per diems etc

Another factor to consider:

Best benefits eg: hols, flight pay, per diems, pay for worked days off, pensions, loss of licence insurance.

As a starter:

FRA: 27 days plus stat., none, as per RAF rates, n/a, depends on join date, yes

LEA: 20 days plus stat., £75 capts, £50 per night, double flt pay, n/a, n/a

Others?
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 08:52
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IJC at EGLF are supposed to be 2 wks on 1 off for GLEX and G550
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