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Originally Posted by Nimbus
The lack of a pension sounds worrying! Do you pay into a private pension? What kind of amounts do NJE pilots typically pay into their monthly pension? I had not factored this issue in and it sounds like a huge disadvantage! This is worrying!
Originally Posted by Nimbus
Do you think NJE will try to reduce the 6 on / 5 off roster? Surely any less than 5 days off would be ludicrous?! Pilots would surely leave the company in large numbers.
As for people leaving well the 6/5 has been reinstated and they still are. Two pilots a week according to a source in Lisbon.
Originally Posted by Nimbus
Do NJE pilots really only work 178 days per year (as stated in their press announcement of 5 dec 2006)? Compared to the average 9-5 office worker who typically works c. 230 days per year, then this NJE contract seems very generous! Am I missing something here?
The five off sounds great until you realise that you will spend at least the first day home recovering, more like two. The last day off will be spent ramping up to go back to work so that really only gives a maxumum of three days to relax. Many, many other companies give even days on/off ie, 7/7, 14/14, month on/off etc. As falconbis says the so called "Best deal in Europe" is just so much spin, NJE is first and foremost a SALES company. These people persuade their owners to part with millions so they sure as hell find it easy to paint you a pretty picture. It ain't the worst but by a long chalk it ain't the best.
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Damn, it sounded like such a great job until you consider all the other factors. The lack of a good pension is a hugely negative factor.
I guess the variety and interesting destinations make up for some of the negative aspects.
I wish I had gone for the Thomas Cook cadet scheme instead!
Is the €70 diem tax free?
I guess the variety and interesting destinations make up for some of the negative aspects.
I wish I had gone for the Thomas Cook cadet scheme instead!
Is the €70 diem tax free?
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Nimbus, are you for real?
You are obsessed about the 70 Euros!
How many times do you need to be told, it is tax free!
But surely the 70 Euros is not the deciding factor to your choice process and I think it best you probably go for the Thomas Cook scheme as you sound like a moaner!
You are obsessed about the 70 Euros!
How many times do you need to be told, it is tax free!
But surely the 70 Euros is not the deciding factor to your choice process and I think it best you probably go for the Thomas Cook scheme as you sound like a moaner!
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Yes indeed, Magic NJE!
And do not come for vacation, either. They "give" you 22 days of vacation ayear but you cannot take much between 1st of May and end of OCtober. Theoretically limited to 10days but this year I had 5 + 2 week ends arounds! which is actually 4days of vacation if you consider we normally have 5days off between 2tours (another trick!!!!)
no seniority to improve it on top of that.
Pension is crucial but they don't care as they don't want you to stay more than 3-4years. BIG ISSUE.
And do not come for vacation, either. They "give" you 22 days of vacation ayear but you cannot take much between 1st of May and end of OCtober. Theoretically limited to 10days but this year I had 5 + 2 week ends arounds! which is actually 4days of vacation if you consider we normally have 5days off between 2tours (another trick!!!!)
no seniority to improve it on top of that.
Pension is crucial but they don't care as they don't want you to stay more than 3-4years. BIG ISSUE.
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All very informative - thanks. One question; is there a salary increase based on seniority, or are you pegged at the advertised 95,000 Euros (for captains)? If there is an increase, could anyone advise as to what this would be.
Oh, and that 70 Euros a day.....would that be tax free?
Cheers
Oh, and that 70 Euros a day.....would that be tax free?
Cheers
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Sorry, only just read this forum as well - for those calling "Troll", please see....http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=288141
Already been picked up as a wind up merchant by OAT?
you decide....
Already been picked up as a wind up merchant by OAT?
you decide....
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Nimbus
I'm sorry but I don't think you are for real.
Comments like those you have posted lead me to believe that you are not interested at all in joining NJE. IF you have been awarded the Cadet Scheme and feel like you do, then don't bother. Why waste a spot that someone else may have given their eye teeth for.
We don't want your type. Obessive comments about a poxy €70. You seem to know nothing, say nothing, antagonise others.
So....I guess you are a either a mole sent by Lisbon, or a sad arse who is having a career crisis.
Stop wasting our time mate.
I'm sorry but I don't think you are for real.
Comments like those you have posted lead me to believe that you are not interested at all in joining NJE. IF you have been awarded the Cadet Scheme and feel like you do, then don't bother. Why waste a spot that someone else may have given their eye teeth for.
We don't want your type. Obessive comments about a poxy €70. You seem to know nothing, say nothing, antagonise others.
So....I guess you are a either a mole sent by Lisbon, or a sad arse who is having a career crisis.
Stop wasting our time mate.
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Just in case this headbanger is for real...
Sterlingsky/Nimbus21
I find it interesting that you are worried what it might be like spending six days with one other NetJet pilot. (I think he may have expressed this concern in a different thread, so other readers forgive me for pointing out the irony of it here). I just wonder if you've given much thought to what the NetJet pilots reading your posts here might think about the prospect of spending six days traveling with you?
Due diligence is fine to conduct, but I don't recall a single question that you phrased in such a way that makes me think you seek to learn something positive about NetJets. Do you assume you already know all the upside? Some of your questions have elicited both pros and cons, but all of them seem to be looking for hidden gotchas.
At some point you are going to have to end the risk analysis and make a decision and I wonder if decisiveness and commitment are not your strong points.
NetJets is a job, not a wife. If you don't like her after a few years, you can leave with no strings and all of your assets and "marry" another. You would not be the first serial monogamist in the industry.
A door of opportunity stands open before you that is better than most zero hour wannabes ever get a choice to walk through. Walk through it and all the others down the hall close, at least temporarily. Turn back from it and you will have to go through this same agonizing for any other doors that you come to later and even then you'll not know if the next one you pick is the best/right one. If you wait until you finish training to look for a job, you will probably only get one or two other choices, as there is no telling who will be hiring at that time, but the bank will be waiting. Maybe the devil you know now is better than one you don't know later.
Now walk those last few steps down the aisle and say "I will" (at least for a while) or turn around and leave the building, but quit asking all the guests if "she's the right one." It is really getting tedious and boring.
I find it interesting that you are worried what it might be like spending six days with one other NetJet pilot. (I think he may have expressed this concern in a different thread, so other readers forgive me for pointing out the irony of it here). I just wonder if you've given much thought to what the NetJet pilots reading your posts here might think about the prospect of spending six days traveling with you?
Due diligence is fine to conduct, but I don't recall a single question that you phrased in such a way that makes me think you seek to learn something positive about NetJets. Do you assume you already know all the upside? Some of your questions have elicited both pros and cons, but all of them seem to be looking for hidden gotchas.
At some point you are going to have to end the risk analysis and make a decision and I wonder if decisiveness and commitment are not your strong points.
NetJets is a job, not a wife. If you don't like her after a few years, you can leave with no strings and all of your assets and "marry" another. You would not be the first serial monogamist in the industry.
A door of opportunity stands open before you that is better than most zero hour wannabes ever get a choice to walk through. Walk through it and all the others down the hall close, at least temporarily. Turn back from it and you will have to go through this same agonizing for any other doors that you come to later and even then you'll not know if the next one you pick is the best/right one. If you wait until you finish training to look for a job, you will probably only get one or two other choices, as there is no telling who will be hiring at that time, but the bank will be waiting. Maybe the devil you know now is better than one you don't know later.
Now walk those last few steps down the aisle and say "I will" (at least for a while) or turn around and leave the building, but quit asking all the guests if "she's the right one." It is really getting tedious and boring.
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Nimbus 21
for all i read from you above, it look to me that you don t have a large aviation background, and the fact that you found NJE deal interesting means that you are not working yet for a Company who provide proper working conditions...so I believe you are the kind of Pilot Netjets is employing right now. Apply you have a great chance to get in.
for all i read from you above, it look to me that you don t have a large aviation background, and the fact that you found NJE deal interesting means that you are not working yet for a Company who provide proper working conditions...so I believe you are the kind of Pilot Netjets is employing right now. Apply you have a great chance to get in.
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Sterlinsky.....
Well, get off your fat arse, spend some money and go down to Lisbon to meet real people and mangement face to face.
Then you can ask your questions PRIVATELY.
Well, get off your fat arse, spend some money and go down to Lisbon to meet real people and mangement face to face.
Then you can ask your questions PRIVATELY.
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Sterlingsky/Nimbus/whatever flippin pseudonym you come up with today....I have no problem, absolutely no problem whatsoever, with you, or anyone else gaining all available information before making a choice. This is simply prudent.
However, there is more than a little irony in that you have been hauled over the coals by the OAT staff (an interesting choice - to p155 them off when if you take the NJE you'll be spending 15 months with them!) for using multiple identities, yet you have used yet another different one on PPRuNe, been called as the same person who has done this on the OAT forum and then registered another one anyway! Do you have some particular fetish for the sign up process for internet message boards?
That aside, I do think gaining all the information is the right thing to do. What gets me though is that when I went through the NJE process I did my research BEFORE I went to Lisbon, not when I was "sitting on an offer". I just find it very odd, indescribably odd in fact, that anyone seeking to enter the profession would rather be faced with a £60k bill, no guaranteed job and the possibility of having to pay your own TR, than accept a place on one of the very, very few cadet schemes that are around.
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I should also say, that in my eyes, you should be a bit careful - the game you are playing with your offer is very dangerous....If I were NJE top brass and read these forums I would be seriously looking at pulling your offer - I think it's obvious that you don't really want to work for them (in fairness, you've even fessed up to that on another thread). They don't need you as much as you need them, believe me there were a bunch of us rejected in Lisbon who would happily step up and take your seat...
However, there is more than a little irony in that you have been hauled over the coals by the OAT staff (an interesting choice - to p155 them off when if you take the NJE you'll be spending 15 months with them!) for using multiple identities, yet you have used yet another different one on PPRuNe, been called as the same person who has done this on the OAT forum and then registered another one anyway! Do you have some particular fetish for the sign up process for internet message boards?
That aside, I do think gaining all the information is the right thing to do. What gets me though is that when I went through the NJE process I did my research BEFORE I went to Lisbon, not when I was "sitting on an offer". I just find it very odd, indescribably odd in fact, that anyone seeking to enter the profession would rather be faced with a £60k bill, no guaranteed job and the possibility of having to pay your own TR, than accept a place on one of the very, very few cadet schemes that are around.
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I should also say, that in my eyes, you should be a bit careful - the game you are playing with your offer is very dangerous....If I were NJE top brass and read these forums I would be seriously looking at pulling your offer - I think it's obvious that you don't really want to work for them (in fairness, you've even fessed up to that on another thread). They don't need you as much as you need them, believe me there were a bunch of us rejected in Lisbon who would happily step up and take your seat...
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Like a few in here I am convinced that Nimbuski is either on a mission to wind people up or is incredibly naieve.
I also find it amusing at the hissy fits thrown by the pro-NJE gang. Scroll Lock, you posit what it might be like to fly with someone like Nimbuski but given your apparent short fuse isn't that a bit pot/kettle? I'll bet I could accurately forecast what your topic of conversation would be within two minutes of climbing into the cockpit.
Go on.......have a guess
I also find it amusing at the hissy fits thrown by the pro-NJE gang. Scroll Lock, you posit what it might be like to fly with someone like Nimbuski but given your apparent short fuse isn't that a bit pot/kettle? I'll bet I could accurately forecast what your topic of conversation would be within two minutes of climbing into the cockpit.
Go on.......have a guess
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Originally Posted by Scroll Lock
C'mon, dont go making this all personal again.
Originally Posted by Scroll Lock
....this tosser...
Originally Posted by Scroll Lock
I guess you are a............... sad arse