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Linecheck, you're quite right in general about air taxi flying but bear in mind that Flexjets and my company Netjets as well as FLight Options and Raytheon Travel Air put together employ about 2,000 pilots at present.
Every last one of them has a published duty schedule. In the case of NetJets and Flexjets, it's published between 30 days and minimum 15 days in advance of the first of the month. Right now I'm on a week on week off schedule, so I can tell you what days I'll be working over 90 days from now.
If they make a mistake and get you home after midnight on your last day they pay you as if you worked the whole next day--which is four hundred usd min, about 800 max depending on salary rate.
Rostering here is as good as at a good airline. The problem is the pay's not as good as the top 8 names. We're working on it.
Every last one of them has a published duty schedule. In the case of NetJets and Flexjets, it's published between 30 days and minimum 15 days in advance of the first of the month. Right now I'm on a week on week off schedule, so I can tell you what days I'll be working over 90 days from now.
If they make a mistake and get you home after midnight on your last day they pay you as if you worked the whole next day--which is four hundred usd min, about 800 max depending on salary rate.
Rostering here is as good as at a good airline. The problem is the pay's not as good as the top 8 names. We're working on it.
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WWW ALTHOUGH MANY OPERATORS ARE LOOKING FOR PILOTS I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS ENCOUNTERED ARE DUE TO to JAR OPS AS OPERATORS WHO BEFORE JAN 2000 CARRIED OUT THEIR OWN TYPE RATINGS NOW HAVE TO BE A TRTO(TYPE RATING TRAINING ORGANISATION). SO UNTILL LOTS OF MONEY AND PAPER WORK HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE CAA FOLLOWED BY INSPECTIONS AND APPROVAL ONLY RATED PILOTS ARE GETTING A LOOK IN(F.S.I ARE ABLE TO TYPE RATE FOR U.K. CREWS BUT THEY HAVE AT LEAST A SIX MONTH BACK LOG) ON A BETTER NOTE MY COMPANY HAS EMPLOYED A CHAP DIRECT FROM OATS WITH @250 HOURS FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER WITH 14000 HOURS AND GUESS WHICH ONE IS BETTER AT C.R.M. GOOD LUCK IT REALLY IS THE BEST PART OF THE INDUSTRY.
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Bizjet Pilot,
Are you with Exec Jet that has G4s in the US. If so I've just done a G4 course at SAV with a couple of your guys, Prescott Bond and Charles Miner, great chaps, if you are in touch please pass on my regards.
They will remember us as the English geezers.
Cheers.
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'Keep the stress down'
Are you with Exec Jet that has G4s in the US. If so I've just done a G4 course at SAV with a couple of your guys, Prescott Bond and Charles Miner, great chaps, if you are in touch please pass on my regards.
They will remember us as the English geezers.
Cheers.
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'Keep the stress down'
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BIZJET PILOT, yes I suppose if you look at the big picture that's correct. Over here in little old England most corporate pilots do not enjoy that sort of life. Netjets is a relatively new concept overhere and I have to say a most welcome one.
I guess you suffer from the 5-10 yearly recessions where times are hard. Things in Europe have got better over the last 5 years with a consequent improvement in conditions for most pilots. Even some airtaxi pilots get days off now!
I've moved on a bit from those days myself and now enjoy a small bizjet, but I have to say the roster and conditions at Netjets are sounding very attractive.......
thanks for the input, best wishes.
I guess you suffer from the 5-10 yearly recessions where times are hard. Things in Europe have got better over the last 5 years with a consequent improvement in conditions for most pilots. Even some airtaxi pilots get days off now!
I've moved on a bit from those days myself and now enjoy a small bizjet, but I have to say the roster and conditions at Netjets are sounding very attractive.......
thanks for the input, best wishes.
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Stressfree, Linecheck & Dir-ee 'Arry, aloha.
Nice to now why Net Jets Europe may be slow and disorganized in hiring. RE G4s the Net Jets US operation is one big and one small: the small one is the G4 and G5, based Savanna, the big one is everything else, Citation straight wings to Hawkers to Falcon 2000 to Boeing Biz Jets starting this Fall--that's in Columbus, Ohio (about half way between INdianapolis and Pittsburgh in case that helps?)
Don't know many of the line pilots doing G4 work here, but glad to hear they're good training mates.
It may well be that NJE is badly run. But as long as your office is at the pointy end of a moving airplane, it won't matter much, and they'll get around to fixing things, via firings or "promotion" up. NJ US is much improved, managerially speaking, now vs 6 years ago. ANd the pilot pay just about doubled.
Nice to now why Net Jets Europe may be slow and disorganized in hiring. RE G4s the Net Jets US operation is one big and one small: the small one is the G4 and G5, based Savanna, the big one is everything else, Citation straight wings to Hawkers to Falcon 2000 to Boeing Biz Jets starting this Fall--that's in Columbus, Ohio (about half way between INdianapolis and Pittsburgh in case that helps?)
Don't know many of the line pilots doing G4 work here, but glad to hear they're good training mates.
It may well be that NJE is badly run. But as long as your office is at the pointy end of a moving airplane, it won't matter much, and they'll get around to fixing things, via firings or "promotion" up. NJ US is much improved, managerially speaking, now vs 6 years ago. ANd the pilot pay just about doubled.
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WWW...
You could check the Middle-Eastern operators, Private individuals as well as companies.
Now that you are in Spain Malaga is a good place to start looking as there are some planes based there and it is also a frequent stop for the Saudis.
The equipment used is varied and ranges from piston singles to 747´s with everything in between being on the fleets.
It is not just the hours and experience that matters but being in the right place at the right time and talking to the right person.
Also keep networking as who you know does make a big difference.
JJ
You could check the Middle-Eastern operators, Private individuals as well as companies.
Now that you are in Spain Malaga is a good place to start looking as there are some planes based there and it is also a frequent stop for the Saudis.
The equipment used is varied and ranges from piston singles to 747´s with everything in between being on the fleets.
It is not just the hours and experience that matters but being in the right place at the right time and talking to the right person.
Also keep networking as who you know does make a big difference.
JJ
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I wonder if anyone has any info on where I can find lists/names of biz jet firms in Asia? Just a directory/list of firms in the biz would be great.
I'm a recent OATS qualified UK ATPL based in HK with 200 odd ME time.
Need a job soon 'cos the bank manager's a comin' a knockin'!!
Thanks guys
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I'm a recent OATS qualified UK ATPL based in HK with 200 odd ME time.
Need a job soon 'cos the bank manager's a comin' a knockin'!!
Thanks guys
[This message has been edited by jsa (edited 30 April 2000).]
