Being labelled crazy when coming to GA from Airline...
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cvfly,
it used to be 2 or 3 years depending on total time at date of hire. As far as I know, it's 2 years for all these days.
The sum of the bond is about the cost of a simcourse, no hidden extras.
Erik.
it used to be 2 or 3 years depending on total time at date of hire. As far as I know, it's 2 years for all these days.
The sum of the bond is about the cost of a simcourse, no hidden extras.
Erik.
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I did it too. Thousands of hrs on the big ones, long haul 11 hrs, Autoland (never used it), sophisticated cockpits (lol), Cat III (did some not many) etc. It wasn't bad of course but....I like the comment about the yellow school bus :-)
I am with NJ now and I love it. The lifestyle, the collegues, the flying, new destinations all the time and the professional operation. I have seen low level GA too ( very low believe me and they were flying Jets)
I believe other GA operators are fine too, but I like the idea to life where I like, it is a great plus. Now I am living in the sun, meeting nice people and enjoying life.
But if you love (or need) big planes, don't do it.
I am with NJ now and I love it. The lifestyle, the collegues, the flying, new destinations all the time and the professional operation. I have seen low level GA too ( very low believe me and they were flying Jets)
I believe other GA operators are fine too, but I like the idea to life where I like, it is a great plus. Now I am living in the sun, meeting nice people and enjoying life.
But if you love (or need) big planes, don't do it.
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Indeed, I agree with the lifestyle issue, that's my view completly.
I've been monotoring this forum for months and have come to the conclusion that people want to be pilots for many different reasons.
I have been a pilot for 18 years now and flying for a big European international carrier for 10 years all over the world.
I love it, but you know what, I miss something, and it is becoming harder and harder to ignore.
Because, thinking back about my first reasons of becoming a pilot, going new places, working in a dynamic environment with people who are enthousiastic about their work, and having a flexible schedule. Only 1 of those still hold . . . But they got you by the balls because of seniority and security and salary and social benefits. So now I have to be brave and untangle my balls and cut them free into a scary new world, . . or not? In the first 8 years I flew 2 years on a Kingair and a citation and it was the best flying of my career or did I just remember only the fun parts?
I've been monotoring this forum for months and have come to the conclusion that people want to be pilots for many different reasons.
I have been a pilot for 18 years now and flying for a big European international carrier for 10 years all over the world.
I love it, but you know what, I miss something, and it is becoming harder and harder to ignore.
Because, thinking back about my first reasons of becoming a pilot, going new places, working in a dynamic environment with people who are enthousiastic about their work, and having a flexible schedule. Only 1 of those still hold . . . But they got you by the balls because of seniority and security and salary and social benefits. So now I have to be brave and untangle my balls and cut them free into a scary new world, . . or not? In the first 8 years I flew 2 years on a Kingair and a citation and it was the best flying of my career or did I just remember only the fun parts?
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Hi Yacan and Amex
I hope I can join netjets next month, I have my interview on the 2nd, I had to cancel my previous interview, flying for one owner all days.
GA is great, you donīt loose the pleasure of flying and if you in a great company and can live were you want then is heaven, my wife and small kids will love to see me every 6 days and not every 20 days for 3-4 days only.
I hope I can meet you at lisbon, drink a couple of beers and learn about your experience.
I hope I can join netjets next month, I have my interview on the 2nd, I had to cancel my previous interview, flying for one owner all days.
GA is great, you donīt loose the pleasure of flying and if you in a great company and can live were you want then is heaven, my wife and small kids will love to see me every 6 days and not every 20 days for 3-4 days only.
I hope I can meet you at lisbon, drink a couple of beers and learn about your experience.
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I left a loco to fly a Gulfstream G550,I don't regret it for an instant,I have rediscovered my love of flying & can't wait to get to work,I never thought that would happen again!
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Me as well...opted to change from the big jets to the high performance stuff!
Still waiting to start the job but really looking forward to it!
Somebody here mentioned that article about Aircraft Snobberey.
If anybody has a link or a copy of that article, I would really appreciate that!
What are th views here regarding wanting to go back to an airline once you have been captain on a bizz jet for a while.
Is it possible or not?
It seems to me that a lot of airlines still take into account that 20T MTOW rule before that take into account your PIC time
Still waiting to start the job but really looking forward to it!
Somebody here mentioned that article about Aircraft Snobberey.
If anybody has a link or a copy of that article, I would really appreciate that!
What are th views here regarding wanting to go back to an airline once you have been captain on a bizz jet for a while.
Is it possible or not?
It seems to me that a lot of airlines still take into account that 20T MTOW rule before that take into account your PIC time
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Hi guys1
Any of you know of a private BBJ operator that need a Captain ASAP or immediately? (Please do not mention NAS as that one is not interesting!)
I have flown the B737 on contract for airlines for many years now and want to jump on to BBJ.
Take care.
Any of you know of a private BBJ operator that need a Captain ASAP or immediately? (Please do not mention NAS as that one is not interesting!)
I have flown the B737 on contract for airlines for many years now and want to jump on to BBJ.
Take care.
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I hope I can meet you at lisbon, drink a couple of beers and learn about your experience.
Another small plus for me but being a food lover I find it not so negilgeable. Pretty much every night I get to eat something nice and "local". Much better than heated up, dry TUI meals (at the end I was bringing my own food or stuck to fruit).
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I am making exactly the same decision..just want to smile again..
First you smile, then after joining Netjets you will cry.....
Good luck, but remember, when the downturn sets in soon, there is no turning back and then you better have a (boring) secure job than no job at all or stuck in GA on the old Bravo until retirement.............
I think within a few years more airline boys will be looking at our inferior little niche for the lifestyle it can present if you go with a good company.
Wait till the summer starts and you are in your non-apu bravo or hawker, you are going to think a lot back to the time you where flying your airconditioned
airliner...............
First you smile, then after joining Netjets you will cry.....
Good luck, but remember, when the downturn sets in soon, there is no turning back and then you better have a (boring) secure job than no job at all or stuck in GA on the old Bravo until retirement.............
I think within a few years more airline boys will be looking at our inferior little niche for the lifestyle it can present if you go with a good company.
Wait till the summer starts and you are in your non-apu bravo or hawker, you are going to think a lot back to the time you where flying your airconditioned
airliner...............Last edited by hawkerpilot; 19th Mar 2007 at 17:59.
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Yes there will be a downturn soon, but i doubt it will harm GA as much as the LOCOs. Any downturn because of the imminent harvest of tax on avaition fuel, or terrorism i beleive will only encourage more GA ownership not less.
As for using an Apu for air conditioning, sir we are not allowed to use it for this purpose in my airline, only for engine starting. A boiling cockpit, manual loadsheet, 30 minute turnaround and no food to boot. The grass i should imagine is looking a little less green if your considering a move to the airlines!
As always certain itīs down to the individual as to what lifestyle suits best.
Good luck
As for using an Apu for air conditioning, sir we are not allowed to use it for this purpose in my airline, only for engine starting. A boiling cockpit, manual loadsheet, 30 minute turnaround and no food to boot. The grass i should imagine is looking a little less green if your considering a move to the airlines!
As always certain itīs down to the individual as to what lifestyle suits best.
Good luck
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Hawkerpilot,
you keep on talking about this downturn of yours! I wonder where you get that information because it sure is not coming from any of the professional litterature available!
On the contrary, the next 10 years they talk about a pilot vacuum- not even a shortage anymore!
Japan: Huge shortage of experienced pilots starting next year due to forced retirement
China: 15000 experienced pilots needed within the next 5 years due to boom
Middle East: 7000 experienced pilots needed only based on number of airplanes on order!
USA and canada: slowly calling back furloughed pilots and opening doors for forreigners with experience due to shortage!
Amd I support Tonkers theory...the more security threats we have, the more time people will loose in airports etc the more members of the rich/famous/succesfull will opt for a mode of transportation as offerred by NJE!
So no...I do not buy your doom theory!
NJE might not be perfect but as said before, it allowed me to tick many more boxes on my preference sheet than many other major carriers!
you keep on talking about this downturn of yours! I wonder where you get that information because it sure is not coming from any of the professional litterature available!
On the contrary, the next 10 years they talk about a pilot vacuum- not even a shortage anymore!
Japan: Huge shortage of experienced pilots starting next year due to forced retirement
China: 15000 experienced pilots needed within the next 5 years due to boom
Middle East: 7000 experienced pilots needed only based on number of airplanes on order!
USA and canada: slowly calling back furloughed pilots and opening doors for forreigners with experience due to shortage!
Amd I support Tonkers theory...the more security threats we have, the more time people will loose in airports etc the more members of the rich/famous/succesfull will opt for a mode of transportation as offerred by NJE!
So no...I do not buy your doom theory!
NJE might not be perfect but as said before, it allowed me to tick many more boxes on my preference sheet than many other major carriers!
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I think we have all been labelled crazy....
I think we have all been labelled crazy from moving from airline to GA but one thing is for sure this is the growing market place.
With all the announcements over the last few weeks its the rich with the high disposable incomes that if all these realisations come true will still want to fly and first class is now second class.
Equally with all the mergers that are being presented, job cuts and redundancies will follow short term as airlines cut costs and then realise as ever that they have cut back too much and start recruiting again.
So are we crazy... in short no. the pay, lifestyle and work may be not a rostered pattern and the best conditions available but the variety, the different attitude to the jobs and the family feel of working for a small company is worth it.....
With all the announcements over the last few weeks its the rich with the high disposable incomes that if all these realisations come true will still want to fly and first class is now second class.
Equally with all the mergers that are being presented, job cuts and redundancies will follow short term as airlines cut costs and then realise as ever that they have cut back too much and start recruiting again.
So are we crazy... in short no. the pay, lifestyle and work may be not a rostered pattern and the best conditions available but the variety, the different attitude to the jobs and the family feel of working for a small company is worth it.....
