What Chance For A Fair Deal In Netjets Europ?
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I am not being defensive, I am just sharing some facts about the outside world as well.
I have been reading lots of treads here and the same complaints keep on coming back time over time. This being said, I have many friends inside NJE who actually do not agree with what is being written. These are guys who have been there for three/four years so I guess they know what they are talking about.
These guys are friends of mine and they all recommended me joining NJE. They told me all the good stuff as well as the bad stuff and I have to say...The overall picture I got was more than positive.
The people I dealth with during the selection where all very nice and professional people. I was amazed by the level of attention you get as a candidate, as well as the overall level of the selection.
Same thing regarding the follow up afterwards....
What happend in the past with the changes in the package was done, if I am not mistaken, by a different management team. From what I hear now, lots of NJE pilots actually are confident that the new team will do a much better job!
I am the first one to say that it is almost difficult for long term pilots to see things like that. You guys have built the company with your own hands, went that extra mile. And now you are dissappointed that there is not more recognition for your loyalty. I understand that...I went through something similar overhere.
This is very typical for the modern style of management. In the early days people joined a company looking for a long term career. Management counted on that as well. This is not there anymore...It is coming back however.
You got a profitsharing sheme just now...OK, its a bit thin but hey, its a start. Its a sign as well that management recognises that there is a problem. As you said before, if there was no necessity they would have never given it to you in the first place!
And I am sure this is not the last thing either....with the number of odrers placed the NJE deal is bound to become better due to the looming pilot shortage!
And they will always be short, just because the majority of pilots is aiming for an airline, not a job in GA!
So yes, I understand your grievances and frustration, but dont let this blind you for the actual good things that are being offered.
Sometimes its good to take some distance and leave what you know behind. There are jobs enough around ....step back and enjoy the new breath of fresh air. Start all over again....That is what I have done and it feels good, I can tell you that!
I have been reading lots of treads here and the same complaints keep on coming back time over time. This being said, I have many friends inside NJE who actually do not agree with what is being written. These are guys who have been there for three/four years so I guess they know what they are talking about.
These guys are friends of mine and they all recommended me joining NJE. They told me all the good stuff as well as the bad stuff and I have to say...The overall picture I got was more than positive.
The people I dealth with during the selection where all very nice and professional people. I was amazed by the level of attention you get as a candidate, as well as the overall level of the selection.
Same thing regarding the follow up afterwards....
What happend in the past with the changes in the package was done, if I am not mistaken, by a different management team. From what I hear now, lots of NJE pilots actually are confident that the new team will do a much better job!
I am the first one to say that it is almost difficult for long term pilots to see things like that. You guys have built the company with your own hands, went that extra mile. And now you are dissappointed that there is not more recognition for your loyalty. I understand that...I went through something similar overhere.
This is very typical for the modern style of management. In the early days people joined a company looking for a long term career. Management counted on that as well. This is not there anymore...It is coming back however.
You got a profitsharing sheme just now...OK, its a bit thin but hey, its a start. Its a sign as well that management recognises that there is a problem. As you said before, if there was no necessity they would have never given it to you in the first place!
And I am sure this is not the last thing either....with the number of odrers placed the NJE deal is bound to become better due to the looming pilot shortage!
And they will always be short, just because the majority of pilots is aiming for an airline, not a job in GA!
So yes, I understand your grievances and frustration, but dont let this blind you for the actual good things that are being offered.
Sometimes its good to take some distance and leave what you know behind. There are jobs enough around ....step back and enjoy the new breath of fresh air. Start all over again....That is what I have done and it feels good, I can tell you that!
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"Captains are FORCED against all regulations (international as well as national) to get the flight going! If needed, the CEO of the Cie himself will come on board and threaten to fire you if you dont get airborn within 5 mins!
difrips and others, WHY DO WE EXCEPT ALL THESE THINGS?? are we so busy making money we do not care anymore?
I see that your company looks a lot alike netjets, same profile, same kind of management pressure, I am sure that there are a few more like that.
We should put those companies on a "pilot blacklist"
Maybe then they will change
Or is everybody more into money than values?
Lets start another thread .......
difrips and others, WHY DO WE EXCEPT ALL THESE THINGS?? are we so busy making money we do not care anymore?
I see that your company looks a lot alike netjets, same profile, same kind of management pressure, I am sure that there are a few more like that.
We should put those companies on a "pilot blacklist"
Maybe then they will change
Or is everybody more into money than values?
Lets start another thread .......
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question about bonding
I am just thinking of sending an application to NJE. The question is, would I have to singn a bonding if I join them? I would bring a current C550 rating with me- so for me, if I would start on the Bravo (and with my experience I think I would) would I have to sign a bonding contract for -lets say- 2 years?
any ideas?
any ideas?
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Hi Hermann,
you might get Bravo without a bond and the company woulsen you to a recurrent course. But,no guaranty. You mightgt something else wit a two year bond. In addition, if you get a larg cabin (F2000 onwards) you are seat-locked fo 18 months too, before you can upgrade on the small fleet.
you might get Bravo without a bond and the company woulsen you to a recurrent course. But,no guaranty. You mightgt something else wit a two year bond. In addition, if you get a larg cabin (F2000 onwards) you are seat-locked fo 18 months too, before you can upgrade on the small fleet.
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so I understand...
...there is no influence by the candidate himself? Or could you even say: "well I would love to go on the Bravo instead of...?"
or is NJE asking which aircraft you prefer?
or is NJE asking which aircraft you prefer?
or is NJE asking which aircraft you prefer?
No, usually they don't ask this - or nobody would be flying the Bravos or 400s 
But indeed I have seen both: people with a valid rating have been put on a completely different type of aircraft, but at the same time rated people only had to do an "extended" recurrent check (a few more sessions to learn our "SOPs") and could stay on their plane. Best is to mention your wish during the interview.
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Hi Guys............please could someone help me with this one. I have an interview with Netjets very soon. I have about 10k flying hours on many types..including 747's as FO. What types of aircraft do NJ start you on?
By the way NJ sounds great. Any responses welcome please. Ta.
By the way NJ sounds great. Any responses welcome please. Ta.
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Bonzo, perhaps scroll up a bit and read what our learned friend Mr.Jenvey has written, might answer your questions!
Flinstone, give me 'ope Johanna...
Apologies, it is the other thread.
Flinstone, give me 'ope Johanna...
Apologies, it is the other thread.
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Hi all.
I am a mil pilot who has just made a very big decision to leave the service after 18 years of continuous flying. I have flown fast jets for the last 15 years and was offered extended service to 55 years to continue flying. I have turned down what on paper looks like the perfect flying job, cetainly the one I envisaged doing when this spotty kid stood watching at air shows but as with all jobs there are many reasons why for some its fantastic and for others it can be loathsome. I still enjoy the time spent in the jet but for many reasons for me its time for a change. In many ways the RAF is not unlike other companies, frustations and problems are there but of a different nature.
The reason I am posting here is because I am consisdering netjets. Several friends from the air force are in or are going to NJE. The ones who are there love it but are also very candid in explaining the bad and good points. Equally I have been watching the threads over the last 5 months or so and have picked up all I can regarding the company. The limitations of pprune is that you only see what the few percent who actually post and in the case of NJ its the same names. If you read the mil aircrew side you will see the same mix of good and bad but again from the very small percent that actually post. I too have invested a long time in my current job! so I am very keen to prepare for the next step as much as I can so would appreciate any thoughts you have.
Thanks
I am a mil pilot who has just made a very big decision to leave the service after 18 years of continuous flying. I have flown fast jets for the last 15 years and was offered extended service to 55 years to continue flying. I have turned down what on paper looks like the perfect flying job, cetainly the one I envisaged doing when this spotty kid stood watching at air shows but as with all jobs there are many reasons why for some its fantastic and for others it can be loathsome. I still enjoy the time spent in the jet but for many reasons for me its time for a change. In many ways the RAF is not unlike other companies, frustations and problems are there but of a different nature.
The reason I am posting here is because I am consisdering netjets. Several friends from the air force are in or are going to NJE. The ones who are there love it but are also very candid in explaining the bad and good points. Equally I have been watching the threads over the last 5 months or so and have picked up all I can regarding the company. The limitations of pprune is that you only see what the few percent who actually post and in the case of NJ its the same names. If you read the mil aircrew side you will see the same mix of good and bad but again from the very small percent that actually post. I too have invested a long time in my current job! so I am very keen to prepare for the next step as much as I can so would appreciate any thoughts you have.
Thanks
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No job is perfect, but, even with its problems, I really like working for NJ.
I hope one day they can resolve some realistic problems.
At the end of the day they are a business and are there to make money.
I hope one day they can resolve some realistic problems.
At the end of the day they are a business and are there to make money.
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I am currently flying 757's but am looking to improve my lifestyle and move to France and NJ seems to tick a lot of the boxes.
I have managed to get a very good idea of T's & C's from this forum and by talking to a couple of people. Whilst they may not be the best the quality of life tick (especially stable rostering?) may well make up for it.
As far as I understand it if I live in France working for NJ I will be liable to tax in Portugal @ 25% and NI contributions in the UK @ 8%. Can someone confirm this and tell me whether the tax @ 25% is on the whole of your salary or is it tiered as per UK? Is the 8% NI on Gross or Net pay?
Is there any news yet on the improved pension scheme?
MD
I have managed to get a very good idea of T's & C's from this forum and by talking to a couple of people. Whilst they may not be the best the quality of life tick (especially stable rostering?) may well make up for it.
As far as I understand it if I live in France working for NJ I will be liable to tax in Portugal @ 25% and NI contributions in the UK @ 8%. Can someone confirm this and tell me whether the tax @ 25% is on the whole of your salary or is it tiered as per UK? Is the 8% NI on Gross or Net pay?
Is there any news yet on the improved pension scheme?
MD
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Thanks for that CL300.
33% of total gross is pretty painful and would be a significant pay cut but it's worth thinking about especially if my lot can't sort out a decent rostering agreement.
33% of total gross is pretty painful and would be a significant pay cut but it's worth thinking about especially if my lot can't sort out a decent rostering agreement.
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CL300,
Are you sure about the fact the tax applies on PerDiem in France ? It's quite surprising ! Does it mean that you pay 25% tax in Portugal and then you have to declare your Per Diem in France ?!
Don't know where you live, but I guess in that case that one could also declare all the professional expenses (Cleaning, food, etc...) and lower down the Per Diem declaration nearby 0 !!!
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French administration !!!
Are you sure about the fact the tax applies on PerDiem in France ? It's quite surprising ! Does it mean that you pay 25% tax in Portugal and then you have to declare your Per Diem in France ?!
Don't know where you live, but I guess in that case that one could also declare all the professional expenses (Cleaning, food, etc...) and lower down the Per Diem declaration nearby 0 !!!
!!
French administration !!!
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Per diem , as per french law are a lump sum of reimbursement of your expenses, therefore if the company pays for your hotels, Airlines, breakfast, etc, It is considered as an indirect wage so taxable, by filing your tax return, these per diems have to be included in your earnings, THEN you can deduct your expenses, like cleaning and other real expenses ( car park, car mileage, etc..) Airline pilots are using the so-called Air France amounts for overnight in tour; this is very nice, up to the point that we ( non UK or Portugal) are not employed by an airline, but by a third entity, as a consequence you are not 'by the book' entitled to such deductions.
So for us, there is no maximal amount that would be considered untaxable, the only way around it is to transfer the money out of france, but with a 25% tax level one's can afford to declare his/hers per-diem and still have plenty of credit....
So for us, there is no maximal amount that would be considered untaxable, the only way around it is to transfer the money out of france, but with a 25% tax level one's can afford to declare his/hers per-diem and still have plenty of credit....