NJE current employment issues & union moves (threads merged)
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I have been reading this thread, not because I am planning on applying to NJ, but because its interesting to see if there will be changes to the better. This would lead to less people looking for a new job and thus less people for other companies looking for crew...
Since I have never worked for NJ I cannot really add anything to what its like, but when you guys are talking about safety (GA vs Airline) something is worth to add...
The problem with statistics is that in many, NOT all, GA/BIZJET type of operations there are no/less of an official reporting system for incidents, accidents etc... Because of this, something that would have been reported, and added to safety stats, in an airline will never show up in a lot of GA stats.
If some of the posts I have read over the past 2-3 years here on pprune are true its even worse then I thought...Some people claim that filing an ASR (or its equivalent) lead to reports being made on you and sometimes even worse... IF, and I say "IF", this is true, one is walking on VERY thin ice! The whole idea of running a safety program in a company is to encourage people to report as much as they can. The involved crew can then, if neccesary, be briefed on the "incident" and LEARN from it. The results/conclusions can then be published for other crew to read and learn from - Thus leading to increased awareness and safety. Only problem is that the company must then support its crew 100% so that there is a mutual trust between all involved parties, otherwise its doomed to be a system that will fail and eventually lead to less awareness and poor safety....
Good luck to all of you, staying or leaving!
/CP
Since I have never worked for NJ I cannot really add anything to what its like, but when you guys are talking about safety (GA vs Airline) something is worth to add...
The problem with statistics is that in many, NOT all, GA/BIZJET type of operations there are no/less of an official reporting system for incidents, accidents etc... Because of this, something that would have been reported, and added to safety stats, in an airline will never show up in a lot of GA stats.
If some of the posts I have read over the past 2-3 years here on pprune are true its even worse then I thought...Some people claim that filing an ASR (or its equivalent) lead to reports being made on you and sometimes even worse... IF, and I say "IF", this is true, one is walking on VERY thin ice! The whole idea of running a safety program in a company is to encourage people to report as much as they can. The involved crew can then, if neccesary, be briefed on the "incident" and LEARN from it. The results/conclusions can then be published for other crew to read and learn from - Thus leading to increased awareness and safety. Only problem is that the company must then support its crew 100% so that there is a mutual trust between all involved parties, otherwise its doomed to be a system that will fail and eventually lead to less awareness and poor safety....
Good luck to all of you, staying or leaving!
/CP
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Our HR manager has been on the job for 2 months. In that time he has surveyed a large percentage of the staff, appointed key people to work with him and presented the results of the survey. To me, these showed that they mean business. About a month from now we are going to learn about the changes to contract and conditions. These are intended to attract and retain good staff so that we can man the 54 aircraft ordered recently.
So Erik, You have not been here too long then, because these are the things they have promised before. Think again. Why would they only do it right now? Not because there are new people on the block. They do it because people are running away by the dozens, fed up being messed around with lies.
Having spend 4 years in this company, all I have seen is false promises, lies and rule and divide tactics, contract changes implemented months before they were made public, you could either sign the new contract or go, safetyculture? report and get punished, I still have the text and signature of a piece of paper with DM name underneath it + signature stating that No-one would be punished for reporting things.
Erik, they have used this tactic for years, you have not been here this long, but for those who have, it is all too clear, they give you little cookies to keep the guys happy another few months and many millions saved by not doing what they should do:giving the guys normal contracts and normal working conditions.
Have you ever wondered why, when they got things changed(real contract and workingconditions) in the states with NJA, they did not do the same at the same time in Europe?
It's money mate. You keep dreaming. I live reality, that is why I left and many, many will follow.
So Erik, You have not been here too long then, because these are the things they have promised before. Think again. Why would they only do it right now? Not because there are new people on the block. They do it because people are running away by the dozens, fed up being messed around with lies.
Having spend 4 years in this company, all I have seen is false promises, lies and rule and divide tactics, contract changes implemented months before they were made public, you could either sign the new contract or go, safetyculture? report and get punished, I still have the text and signature of a piece of paper with DM name underneath it + signature stating that No-one would be punished for reporting things.
Erik, they have used this tactic for years, you have not been here this long, but for those who have, it is all too clear, they give you little cookies to keep the guys happy another few months and many millions saved by not doing what they should do:giving the guys normal contracts and normal working conditions.
Have you ever wondered why, when they got things changed(real contract and workingconditions) in the states with NJA, they did not do the same at the same time in Europe?
It's money mate. You keep dreaming. I live reality, that is why I left and many, many will follow.
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I can only conclude at the moment that things do not look positive for Netjets as a whole. The way they handle the current situation is saying enough, but no suprise knowing that most managers in the office have not had formal management training.
What worries me looking at the PPrune and JB forums that the overall picture is a negative one. This company has changed from a prospective good employer to one you don't want to be working for (anymore). Talking to people in the field it only get's worse. People are generally negative to very negative, some give netjets the benefit of the doubt but most are seriosly considering applying or have allready secured interviews. For them it is not a decision wether to go or not, because by applying somewhere else they have allready done that, but when is time they go, Most probably the majority of the leavers will leave in spring as most companies stop their selections at the end of winter or beginning of spring. Meaning thatt Netjets is simply not going to make it crewnumber wise and no pay offer is going to make that good.
The way most pilots are talking about leaving I doubt if Netjets as a company is a save bet for the future, There is no way that this growth with the current problems is even remotely going to be possible resulting in major suffering for those who intend to stay or join.
a good contract CAN be made in a Weeks time, they have an excellent example from our brothers in the USA, just minor adjustments are needed, but frankly I feel it is all about delaying tactics as they are not realizing the demise of this company.
No matter how well all your departments run NO PILOTS=NO NETJETS
What worries me looking at the PPrune and JB forums that the overall picture is a negative one. This company has changed from a prospective good employer to one you don't want to be working for (anymore). Talking to people in the field it only get's worse. People are generally negative to very negative, some give netjets the benefit of the doubt but most are seriosly considering applying or have allready secured interviews. For them it is not a decision wether to go or not, because by applying somewhere else they have allready done that, but when is time they go, Most probably the majority of the leavers will leave in spring as most companies stop their selections at the end of winter or beginning of spring. Meaning thatt Netjets is simply not going to make it crewnumber wise and no pay offer is going to make that good.
The way most pilots are talking about leaving I doubt if Netjets as a company is a save bet for the future, There is no way that this growth with the current problems is even remotely going to be possible resulting in major suffering for those who intend to stay or join.
a good contract CAN be made in a Weeks time, they have an excellent example from our brothers in the USA, just minor adjustments are needed, but frankly I feel it is all about delaying tactics as they are not realizing the demise of this company.
No matter how well all your departments run NO PILOTS=NO NETJETS
