poll:70% of Netjetspilots looking for other jobs
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poll:70% of Netjetspilots looking for other jobs
A poll under Netjets pilots shows that 70% of the pilots have allready applied elsewhere and want to leave the company.So what do you think: plenty jobs for new pilots coming up OR shouldn't you better think twice before joining......
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Originally Posted by aka punisher
A poll under Netjets pilots shows that 70% of the pilots have allready applied elsewhere and want to leave the company.So what do you think: plenty jobs for new pilots coming up OR shouldn't you better think twice before joining......
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Think twice before you join NetJets- sounds good, looks goods, taste is rather peculiar...
Salary increase below inflation
Salary grid stops after 10 years
3 different contracts- Portugal-UK-ISLE of MAN
Changes to contract are imposed and NOT negotiated
Perceived fear culture...
You have to be very flexible to work for NetJets...workhard and bend over
Salary increase below inflation
Salary grid stops after 10 years
3 different contracts- Portugal-UK-ISLE of MAN
Changes to contract are imposed and NOT negotiated
Perceived fear culture...
You have to be very flexible to work for NetJets...workhard and bend over
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Originally Posted by Looooong haul
Sounds like Smeagel is back again
I believe 70% of those who voted said they'd applied elsewhere. Given that most people are paranoid about management finding out who they are I'd say that's still a representative figure.
Many people read the crew forum, most are still to scared to post. I'd guess there are more employees in there than not by now.
[Bob Dylan]"The times, they are a changin'.........."[/Bob Dylan]
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Strange that I found this doom and gloom thread from a year ago and nothing discussed materialized.... 
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191232
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191232
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Not this time- lawyers are helping this time- and the company can not fire anybody for wanting to join or actually being a member of a union- in the US the NetJets customers, owners got the information first hand on how great a company NetJets was to work for...
The NetJets Europe Pilots have rights...
The NetJets Europe Pilots have rights...
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Originally Posted by Looooong haul
Strange that I found this doom and gloom thread from a year ago and nothing discussed materialized....
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191232
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191232
Thank you Long Haul. You have just proven that the situation is not just an errant blip but a long running problem and nothing has improved with the changes in management.
Perhaps you could enlighten us with your wisdom and explain how this is a 'Good Thing' as opposed to the 'Very Bad Thing' everyone else seems to think it is?
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Smeagel
It shows that you are an one issue doom and gloom merchant who was talking then the same as now. The fact that you have sour grapes because you were fired is your problem but go and move on in life.
Things have improved at NJE and are continuing to improve. And yes there are always things that should improve even more.
My main point is to put things in perspective rather than have 59 negative posts about a company that you are not dealing with anymore.....
It shows that you are an one issue doom and gloom merchant who was talking then the same as now. The fact that you have sour grapes because you were fired is your problem but go and move on in life.
Things have improved at NJE and are continuing to improve. And yes there are always things that should improve even more.
My main point is to put things in perspective rather than have 59 negative posts about a company that you are not dealing with anymore.....
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Originally Posted by Looooong haul
Smeagel
It shows that you are an one issue doom and gloom merchant who was talking then the same as now. The fact that you have sour grapes because you were fired is your problem but go and move on in life.
Things have improved at NJE and are continuing to improve. And yes there are always things that should improve even more.
My main point is to put things in perspective rather than have 59 negative posts about a company that you are not dealing with anymore.....
It shows that you are an one issue doom and gloom merchant who was talking then the same as now. The fact that you have sour grapes because you were fired is your problem but go and move on in life.
Things have improved at NJE and are continuing to improve. And yes there are always things that should improve even more.
My main point is to put things in perspective rather than have 59 negative posts about a company that you are not dealing with anymore.....
If I have to highlight the doom and gloom it is because it is still there. Things have improved? Apart from a suggestion that they might give everyone the 6/5 they were promised at interview and indoc (but only for half the year) and a suggestion that maybe they might stop adding extra work days to the roster in months when crew book vacation tell me exactly what has improved would you?
Maybe it is the salary? Has that risen? Umm, no. That only increases by 2%per year whereas inflation is running at more or less double that and changing the exchange rate recently (at great expense to the company) cost most of the UK pilots £300 per month.
Perhaps it is the salary for long term employees? Umm, no. That still goes no further than 10 years. With more than a few crew approaching that anniversary you would think that a responsible employer would have addressed this.
The contracts perhaps? After all NJE has been up and running for almost a decade and it is hardly a surprise to them that their crew come from a dozen or so countries. Surely this has been organised? No again. Only some vague rumour (that is either denied or confirmed depending upon who you ask) that the long awaited Luxembourg contract will be here soon.
I wonder if the company are helping their employees with their obligations in the meantime? No. In fact they seem to have taken to informing on them to the tax authorities. Nice.
Man management? Perhaps the company has provided training to help raise morale. Has it realised that treating professionals with respect brings out the best in them? Not if the recent firing of a fleet manager is anything to go by. Apparently he was too close and too supportive of his crew. That'll teach him.
Come on Long Haul, help me out here.
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Keep banging the wrong drum boys, your reward in Lisbon is assured. A dozen virgins each for the martyrs, inshallah.
So what if the 18 days has been offered for a year? Point is it was the basis of employment for most of us who are in the company now and was taken away.
Nice try Scroll Lock. Where did I resort to name calling?
Of course you have both studiously avoided the other points. Why would that be?
When you're done with those let's discuss the legitimacy of airline time not counting, split duty without suitable rest accomodation and no time allowed after 'on blocks' or to ready the aircraft for the next flight.
Do I still have your attention?
(Hint: This is the bit where you accuse me of having been fired a year ago and my information being out of date and thereby neatly avoid answering the questions).
So what if the 18 days has been offered for a year? Point is it was the basis of employment for most of us who are in the company now and was taken away.
Nice try Scroll Lock. Where did I resort to name calling?
Of course you have both studiously avoided the other points. Why would that be?
When you're done with those let's discuss the legitimacy of airline time not counting, split duty without suitable rest accomodation and no time allowed after 'on blocks' or to ready the aircraft for the next flight.
Do I still have your attention?
(Hint: This is the bit where you accuse me of having been fired a year ago and my information being out of date and thereby neatly avoid answering the questions).
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Smeagel is right!
Interview promise and contract content were very different- the fact that very few NJE pilots comment- speaks for itself!
Why?
FEAR CULTURE- but maybe the NJE owners and customers should know about this-
The working conditions of the NJE flight crew that provide high cost outstanding luxury travel service - are poor. Low cost carrier flight crew have far better Terms and Conditions.
Interview promise and contract content were very different- the fact that very few NJE pilots comment- speaks for itself!
Why?
FEAR CULTURE- but maybe the NJE owners and customers should know about this-
The working conditions of the NJE flight crew that provide high cost outstanding luxury travel service - are poor. Low cost carrier flight crew have far better Terms and Conditions.
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Well then. We best all give up then.
Tired of the sniping at NJE.
I'm happy there as are lots of others. There is always a minority who are unhappy, most leave.
Oh and Smeagers my ol' cock...I am not looking for instant progress and vestal virgins from my bosses!!
Besides, can't find a virgin anywhere these days!!
Tired of the sniping at NJE.
I'm happy there as are lots of others. There is always a minority who are unhappy, most leave.
Oh and Smeagers my ol' cock...I am not looking for instant progress and vestal virgins from my bosses!!
Besides, can't find a virgin anywhere these days!!
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Answer the questions please Scroll Lock.
Let us do them two at a time.
1) How legitimate under JAA rules is day one airline time not being counted as duty?
2) Is the annual pay increment 2%?
Please do not try fobbing us off with jovial quips. Tell us these answers then we can move on to the others.
Let us do them two at a time.
1) How legitimate under JAA rules is day one airline time not being counted as duty?
2) Is the annual pay increment 2%?
Please do not try fobbing us off with jovial quips. Tell us these answers then we can move on to the others.
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Dear smeagel and more scalps don't give up the fight!Let management(or should I say scambuster..?, small note :did you notice the 6min reactiontime after my thread was posted?)not win their divide and rule -game.By the way nice to know you guys are watching, maybe you now finally start to listen.
And Long haul, we all know how you worked your way up in the ranks so please don't start putting in posts as if you are representative for the Netjets workforce, because you are far off.That's the whole issue in Netjets:too many in their ivory towers having no idea what is really happening, but fillling the pockets with big bonusses while we are suffering from below.
Things will change now, there is no stopping us, the small stream has become a big river and the management won't get away anymore with what they have been doing for years. And with the help of powerfull unions we will finally get a voice, a voice we were always affraid to use, because we all know how many fine pilots have been fired without trial, just because they had raised a matter.
We need other management then the pocketfillers who are there now, their time has long run out. We need a FOM/Chiefpilot with a good aviation background ,with lots hours of experience, not like ours who doesn't even qualify for the minimum requirements as captain within Netjets.! Someone who is supportive to his crews instead of showing his power.
How is it possible that a big company like Netjets is being run by people with very little aviationbackground and in the meantime telling all the hard working pilots off....Hope it will change soon.The Dark Master was the first to go, many will follow, they really underestimate how well organized we have become, no matter what the long haul types and the likes are trying, this train can not be stopped anymore, and it is about time.
Please all of you who were always afraid to speak up but do agree, register with PPrune and show your voice, together we will be strong!
And Long haul, we all know how you worked your way up in the ranks so please don't start putting in posts as if you are representative for the Netjets workforce, because you are far off.That's the whole issue in Netjets:too many in their ivory towers having no idea what is really happening, but fillling the pockets with big bonusses while we are suffering from below.
Things will change now, there is no stopping us, the small stream has become a big river and the management won't get away anymore with what they have been doing for years. And with the help of powerfull unions we will finally get a voice, a voice we were always affraid to use, because we all know how many fine pilots have been fired without trial, just because they had raised a matter.
We need other management then the pocketfillers who are there now, their time has long run out. We need a FOM/Chiefpilot with a good aviation background ,with lots hours of experience, not like ours who doesn't even qualify for the minimum requirements as captain within Netjets.! Someone who is supportive to his crews instead of showing his power.
How is it possible that a big company like Netjets is being run by people with very little aviationbackground and in the meantime telling all the hard working pilots off....Hope it will change soon.The Dark Master was the first to go, many will follow, they really underestimate how well organized we have become, no matter what the long haul types and the likes are trying, this train can not be stopped anymore, and it is about time.
Please all of you who were always afraid to speak up but do agree, register with PPrune and show your voice, together we will be strong!