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American Pilots in UK/EU
Is it just me, or am I seeing an increase in American Pilots being based in UK/EU.
I know of serveral operators who are employing Americans, (on N reg aircraft) in UK.
Has the law changed for the work permits, or have I missed something.
I was hoping to work in USA, but need a work permit, even for a few months, so why can Americans work here.?
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I know of serveral operators who are employing Americans, (on N reg aircraft) in UK.
Has the law changed for the work permits, or have I missed something.
I was hoping to work in USA, but need a work permit, even for a few months, so why can Americans work here.?
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Originally Posted by Itswindyout
I was hoping to work in USA, but need a work permit, even for a few months, so why can Americans work here.?
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Maybe the increase in "off-shore" employment contracts that dont have to adhere to any employment laws anywhere nor give pilots ANY rights. Yet they are flying JAA aircraft under JAR OPS rules in companies based in the EU..
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
Because we invented the airplane.
I don t think so,it was the french, with Clement Ader and his Eole who flew first in 1890.He did actually invent aviation (avion was the name of his third airplane or aeroplane
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Originally Posted by rduarte
I don t think so,it was the french, with Clement Ader and his Eole who flew first in 1890.He did actually invent aviation (avion was the name of his third airplane or aeroplane )
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The large number of EU pilots in corporate aviation who now get paid offshore makes it rather a level playing field I think.
I know what LRdriver II is saying, but at the same time, it's not like the companies are forcing these conditions onto the crew, the crew are rather forcing it onto the companies (it apparently being a sellers market at the moment). It does make for an interesting situation however when they then turn around and expect sick pay, maternity leave etc when they aren't paying anyone any tax. Whilst you can have your cake and eat it in some circumstances, I don't necessarily think you have have the cake knife as well...
(As for who did it first, well, I'd go for the French with the Aeroplane and the Yanks with the airplane - was that diplomatic enough...? Condi should take note!)
I know what LRdriver II is saying, but at the same time, it's not like the companies are forcing these conditions onto the crew, the crew are rather forcing it onto the companies (it apparently being a sellers market at the moment). It does make for an interesting situation however when they then turn around and expect sick pay, maternity leave etc when they aren't paying anyone any tax. Whilst you can have your cake and eat it in some circumstances, I don't necessarily think you have have the cake knife as well...
(As for who did it first, well, I'd go for the French with the Aeroplane and the Yanks with the airplane - was that diplomatic enough...? Condi should take note!)
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We call AVIATION and not AIRPLANESHIP or AEROPLANESHIP. Is that diplomatic enough ? 
This mean the french invent "Aviation" (from the name of the third s Clement Ader s plane "Avion" ).
And after my maths, 1890 is always before 1903 !
This mean the french invent "Aviation" (from the name of the third s Clement Ader s plane "Avion" ).
And after my maths, 1890 is always before 1903 !
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Originally Posted by rduarte
I don t think so,it was the french, with Clement Ader and his Eole who flew first in 1890.He did actually invent aviation (avion was the name of his third airplane or aeroplane )
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
Did that Eole or whatever have an engine?
Yes ,a steam engine (20HP) . The plane flew about 50 m at 20 cm from the ground,in october the 9th, 1890
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Originally Posted by rduarte
Yes ,a steam engine (20HP) . The plane flew about 50 m at 20 cm from the ground,in october the 9th, 1890
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I hear the GV N559gv based at luton and a uk owner is crewed by a septic who commutes from the US to fly it,i take it he must a have some sort of work permit unless you can do that sort of thing without one, not sure how that sort of thing works
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US pilots working in Europe
Keep in mind that quite a few of the US pilots you talk about probably hold EU citizenship and can legally accept employment. I know because am one of them although I am an independent contractor and not an employee.
If you have seen me you have assumed I am from the US. I speak with a Midwestern accent and act and look pretty typical "American". I live in the US and commute to work in Europe, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.
To the poster talking about maternity pay and such: A lot of us are independent contractors who pay for our own recurrent training, disability insurance, quarterly taxes and Social Security. (The SS I shouldn't have to pay since there will be none left by the time I retire anyway). Of course this is reflected in our daily rates, so by the time I give myself a paycheck it is about the same size as anyone else who flies comparable equipment. only bonus right now is that the Euro is so strong against the US$. Thank you to all the people that believe a budget deficit is bad!!
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If you have seen me you have assumed I am from the US. I speak with a Midwestern accent and act and look pretty typical "American". I live in the US and commute to work in Europe, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.
To the poster talking about maternity pay and such: A lot of us are independent contractors who pay for our own recurrent training, disability insurance, quarterly taxes and Social Security. (The SS I shouldn't have to pay since there will be none left by the time I retire anyway). Of course this is reflected in our daily rates, so by the time I give myself a paycheck it is about the same size as anyone else who flies comparable equipment. only bonus right now is that the Euro is so strong against the US$. Thank you to all the people that believe a budget deficit is bad!!
Save a horse, ride a cowboy.
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GLFSTMFIVE; correct
He is commuting to Luton from the USA, as were the co pilots, to operate this N reg aircraft for the UK owner, as a TAG FAB management contract, I understand that he was a contract TAG pilot as well, (hand that feeds you; springs to mind).
But I suspect that TAG will loose the contract to him.
He is a ex White House Staff Pilot, with the gift of the gab.
Not quite certain how the law stands in regard to cabotage, even as a private aircraft.
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But I suspect that TAG will loose the contract to him.
He is a ex White House Staff Pilot, with the gift of the gab.
Not quite certain how the law stands in regard to cabotage, even as a private aircraft.
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DA 50 driver; you are exempt.........
The original post was aimed at specific persons, and certainly not at you, or any of your bretheren.
You do raise an interesting point, and that relates to the UK/EU SS contribution that "might" be deducted from your EU/UK salary, if you are being paid and thus employed by this corporate entity.
I work on a similar basis but paid in US$, so see the bad side of the currency rate, as my life is based on stg and euros.
However I suspect I would not be welcome in the US as a contract pilot.
What are your feelings.
Windy
You do raise an interesting point, and that relates to the UK/EU SS contribution that "might" be deducted from your EU/UK salary, if you are being paid and thus employed by this corporate entity.
I work on a similar basis but paid in US$, so see the bad side of the currency rate, as my life is based on stg and euros.
However I suspect I would not be welcome in the US as a contract pilot.
What are your feelings.
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Hi ,malc4d , I am in exactly the same position as you .I´ve been trying and contacting employers in USA an there´s no way . They will not issue any work visas at all. To get a flying job in the states..the only way is to marry an american girl and obtaining a green card..