Rumour: 2 Netjets pilots fired after wine apeared on hotel bill?
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Rumour: 2 Netjets pilots fired after wine apeared on hotel bill?
picked this bit gossip up the other day,
supposedly cockpitcrew had a bottle of wine on their Marriott hotel bill with late checkin combined with early start....
anyone with more details or the straight poop?
supposedly cockpitcrew had a bottle of wine on their Marriott hotel bill with late checkin combined with early start....
anyone with more details or the straight poop?
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Wasn't a late check in.
Not an early start.
I'm afraid I can't comment any further.
Not an early start.
I'm afraid I can't comment any further.
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No men's land contract
They have been fired mainly due to the fact that the place of their contracts is in Isle of Man with ramifications to Cayman Islands... So NetJets can do and say whatever they want. No lawyer is able to grab NetJets.
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There appears to be very little detail here. These pilots could have purchased a crate of wine.
In a court of law that is not evidence that they drank it
The only acceptable evidence is through proper blood tests.
I am not a lawyer but I would think that you have to operate under the laws of the country you operate in.
As Net jets have bases in Europe blatant disregard of European employment laws and rights would mean that the company could still be penalised should they wish to continue their operations in Europe.
As I said there is very little detail here to make any sort of judgement on.
In a court of law that is not evidence that they drank it
The only acceptable evidence is through proper blood tests.
I am not a lawyer but I would think that you have to operate under the laws of the country you operate in.
As Net jets have bases in Europe blatant disregard of European employment laws and rights would mean that the company could still be penalised should they wish to continue their operations in Europe.
As I said there is very little detail here to make any sort of judgement on.
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Redbelt's got it right
IF they have reason to appeal, they have no venue or opportunity to do so.
They join an ever increasing number of disgruntled ex-employees.
They join an ever increasing number of disgruntled ex-employees.
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Originally Posted by p_ace
As I said there is very little detail here to make any sort of judgement on.
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Netjets with UK employees are employed under UK law, no question. Look at our Cathay friends, PAYE UK base, UK law. (LAW LORDS)
In this instance it appears that the chaps in Portugal have met people who know how it works and will not be got rid off just because the managment have other thoughts.
Hotel bills are not proof that wine was drunk, are you rested? well thats down to your opinion, look at the law. And ask netjets about reduced rest etc etc etc.
They have for a long time been " we can do what we want "
Watch and learn is all I can say I think we have some guys that will stand up.
BUT also remember mud sticks and its hard to shift so we should all remember innocent untill 100%i n a court proven guilty.
Is the company always right???????
HELL NO
In this instance it appears that the chaps in Portugal have met people who know how it works and will not be got rid off just because the managment have other thoughts.
Hotel bills are not proof that wine was drunk, are you rested? well thats down to your opinion, look at the law. And ask netjets about reduced rest etc etc etc.
They have for a long time been " we can do what we want "
Watch and learn is all I can say I think we have some guys that will stand up.
BUT also remember mud sticks and its hard to shift so we should all remember innocent untill 100%i n a court proven guilty.
Is the company always right???????
HELL NO
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Too little information given in this thread to figure out whether the company's decision was justified or not... Some here seem to know more but aren't ready to share... Whatever their agenda is... I say: tell all or tell nothing...
Sad story anyway for the company's reputation, for the crews involved, and for the f
hotel staff who are lame enough to play these kind of games... 
Out of curiosity: in which Marriott did this happen?
Sad story anyway for the company's reputation, for the crews involved, and for the f
hotel staff who are lame enough to play these kind of games... Out of curiosity: in which Marriott did this happen?
Last edited by Treetopflyer; 16th Jul 2006 at 22:35.
Marriott Courtyard CDG.
Actually a similar incident (hotel staff sending information to an airline) has ocurred a few weeks earlier in this hotel, it was just another airline.
This really stinks.
Actually a similar incident (hotel staff sending information to an airline) has ocurred a few weeks earlier in this hotel, it was just another airline.
This really stinks.
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Originally Posted by checklist69
But, p_ace, you seem already to have pronounced judgement on Netjets!
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I have not pronounced judgement on NetJet as I do not know the facts other than the very sketchy outline which started this thread.
My two points are first any foreign registered company cannot work outside of the country laws they operate in.
Being foreign registered doesnt give immunity.
With European employment laws you cannot sack someone on a suspicion.
Wine on the hotel bill in itself is not hard evidence.
An individual going to a tribunal would be able to sue if the correct sacking procedures were not followed.
For all I know there may have been hard evidence and NetJets may have been within their full rights in disposing of these two pilots.
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You can be sure that neither guy was Portuguese.
Local management pilots make it very difficult to offload any old Air Force buddies, no matter how sub standard they are or how severe their 'crime.' I had a line trainer who managed a runway incursion on my very first line training sector only 10 seconds from the apron. I reported it to a management bod. What did they do? Promote the guy! Of course the chap was a long time Air Force buddy. In the next 20 sectors the same guy tried to igore the MEL (stall warning system) and managed to start the engines with the fuel truck parked right behind the aircraft(within 5 metres).
Same old story, no place to take a grievance to.
Eventually, after 16 months,I just faxed my instant resignation at the end of a tour. What did they do? Cancelled my company credit card so I had to buy own ticket home.
Local management pilots make it very difficult to offload any old Air Force buddies, no matter how sub standard they are or how severe their 'crime.' I had a line trainer who managed a runway incursion on my very first line training sector only 10 seconds from the apron. I reported it to a management bod. What did they do? Promote the guy! Of course the chap was a long time Air Force buddy. In the next 20 sectors the same guy tried to igore the MEL (stall warning system) and managed to start the engines with the fuel truck parked right behind the aircraft(within 5 metres).
Same old story, no place to take a grievance to.
Eventually, after 16 months,I just faxed my instant resignation at the end of a tour. What did they do? Cancelled my company credit card so I had to buy own ticket home.
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So the next time we get a Hotel accomodation that is not suitable, by JAR OPS definition, and we do not get enough rest- this is a safety issue isn't it! So who can be sacked for reserving non suitable accomodation?
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Silverhawk, (or should I say redbelt) what is your problem? You are living in the past and it is sorry to see you getting back on old stories ALL the time. Guys like you tend to get heart or bloodpressure problems. Get a life 
Regarding this issue does anybody have specific details?
Regarding this issue does anybody have specific details?
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long haul
I'm in great shape thanks. Just not one for rolling over when someone tries to shaft me.
Seems the details are with the legal eagles.
It's the same old stuff over and over from Lisbon.
eg. Captain diverts to an airfield that his aircraft is certified for and explains to customer that their airfield of choice is not legal in this aeroplane. Sales forgot to tell the customer this important detail! Result is---Captain is 'fined' by Netjets.
The point is, there is nowhere to contest this decision, either take it or leave.
Maybe you think I'm harping on, but nothing has really changed in 7 years.
Oh I forgot about your dangleberries.
Length of service means nothing, only protection is being a Portuguese national.
PS I'm not Redbelt
Seems the details are with the legal eagles.
It's the same old stuff over and over from Lisbon.
eg. Captain diverts to an airfield that his aircraft is certified for and explains to customer that their airfield of choice is not legal in this aeroplane. Sales forgot to tell the customer this important detail! Result is---Captain is 'fined' by Netjets.
The point is, there is nowhere to contest this decision, either take it or leave.
Maybe you think I'm harping on, but nothing has really changed in 7 years.
Oh I forgot about your dangleberries.
Length of service means nothing, only protection is being a Portuguese national.
PS I'm not Redbelt
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Being Portuguese certainly helps but it seems to me there is no ultimate imunity to the wroth of NJE management.
Ask yourself a question here however... PC and all others of interest........why the more acceptance of the Portuguese? Is it because the management are all Portuguese? No! Not at all.
Maybe just because the company being based in Portugal, (apparently), means they are not entirely immune to Portuguese Employment Regulations!!!!!!!!!!
Particulary if the employee, (ex-employee), happens to be a Portuguese Resident!!!
Being part of the EU is not all bad!!!!
Ask yourself a question here however... PC and all others of interest........why the more acceptance of the Portuguese? Is it because the management are all Portuguese? No! Not at all.
Maybe just because the company being based in Portugal, (apparently), means they are not entirely immune to Portuguese Employment Regulations!!!!!!!!!!
Particulary if the employee, (ex-employee), happens to be a Portuguese Resident!!!
Being part of the EU is not all bad!!!!
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8hours
ive heard rumours that the involved crews were reported by the hotel for drinking within 8hours of flight???? If that is the case I don't really see a way to defend the crews and I don't think it willl matter what courts they can take the arbitration to, nor what nationalties they are.