Rumour: 2 Netjets pilots fired after wine apeared on hotel bill?
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So was the hotel in charge for their flight schedules? How can they know what time their duty time was to start? They should concentrate only for the customer service, period!
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Crew were reported to have purchased wine, not consumed it, outside of eight hours before being on standby duty. Management took it upon themselves to conclude the rest to the detriment of a couple of good crew.
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Originally Posted by silverhawk
You can be sure that neither guy was Portuguese.
Local management pilots make it very difficult to offload any old Air Force buddies, no matter how sub standard they are or how severe their 'crime.' I had a line trainer who managed a runway incursion on my very first line training sector only 10 seconds from the apron. I reported it to a management bod. What did they do? Promote the guy! Of course the chap was a long time Air Force buddy. In the next 20 sectors the same guy tried to igore the MEL (stall warning system) and managed to start the engines with the fuel truck parked right behind the aircraft(within 5 metres).
Same old story, no place to take a grievance to.
Eventually, after 16 months,I just faxed my instant resignation at the end of a tour. What did they do? Cancelled my company credit card so I had to buy own ticket home.
Local management pilots make it very difficult to offload any old Air Force buddies, no matter how sub standard they are or how severe their 'crime.' I had a line trainer who managed a runway incursion on my very first line training sector only 10 seconds from the apron. I reported it to a management bod. What did they do? Promote the guy! Of course the chap was a long time Air Force buddy. In the next 20 sectors the same guy tried to igore the MEL (stall warning system) and managed to start the engines with the fuel truck parked right behind the aircraft(within 5 metres).
Same old story, no place to take a grievance to.
Eventually, after 16 months,I just faxed my instant resignation at the end of a tour. What did they do? Cancelled my company credit card so I had to buy own ticket home.
Sorry ..but what did you expect them to do?! Keep you on your credit card..!? It doesnt take a genius to work that one out... especially that you had finished your tour...
Lesson Learnt :
Next time you will probably think twice about resigning before reaching home...the part about the "portuguese air force buddies.. " Totally forgot that the RAF were totally against that... as far as I am aware.. most of the Top management are Foreign.. One or two of the fleet managers being portuguese and the rest foreign... Did you report the incident to the Safety officer by any chance!??
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Yes next time I would wait til I got home. I actually stayed an extra day at end of tour to dig them out of a hole! Then had to pay own fare home.
They did actually reimburse me afterwards and cited an admin error.
As far as the safety officer, yes of course I did and the fleet manager and the chief pilot and the ops director. All of whom have since been replaced on a regular basis
They did actually reimburse me afterwards and cited an admin error.
As far as the safety officer, yes of course I did and the fleet manager and the chief pilot and the ops director. All of whom have since been replaced on a regular basis
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chaps,
does seem a bit ridiculous to have a go at someone for posessing a bottle of wine dosen't it.
Seems more likely to be that the company may have had enough of these guys putting bottles of it on their credit cards?
Just an observation.
BP.
Way out of line my man. By all means express your opinion but if you insult the other members of the forum in this manner again it'll be your last post. Offending language removed. 4HP
does seem a bit ridiculous to have a go at someone for posessing a bottle of wine dosen't it.
Seems more likely to be that the company may have had enough of these guys putting bottles of it on their credit cards?
Just an observation.
BP.
Way out of line my man. By all means express your opinion but if you insult the other members of the forum in this manner again it'll be your last post. Offending language removed. 4HP
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Badgerpuppy
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Making such a statment is mad, you have no foundation for such a comment.
The facts are nothing like that. Please edit now and think before you type in the future.
When all is over and done with between the company and the people I am sure they will tall all. I know that there is some big legal gunns about to rip into Lisbon.
In the meantime maybe the world should watch and wait rather than making such stupid comments.
,Making such a statment is mad, you have no foundation for such a comment.
The facts are nothing like that. Please edit now and think before you type in the future.
When all is over and done with between the company and the people I am sure they will tall all. I know that there is some big legal gunns about to rip into Lisbon.
In the meantime maybe the world should watch and wait rather than making such stupid comments.
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Originally Posted by badgerpuppy
chaps,
does seem a bit ridiculous to have a go at someone for posessing a bottle of wine dosen't it.
Seems more likely to be that the company may have had enough of these guys putting bottles of it on their credit cards?
Just an observation.
BP.
does seem a bit ridiculous to have a go at someone for posessing a bottle of wine dosen't it.
Seems more likely to be that the company may have had enough of these guys putting bottles of it on their credit cards?
Just an observation.
BP.
The lawyers of those involved will be contacting the moderators of this forum requesting your ISP details.
Please all calm down - badgerpuppy was way out of line & I have removed the offending language. Please avoid wasting my time with lawyers letters & demands - it will get you absolutely nowhere. 4hP
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4HP, many thanks for doing the necessary. The most offensive comment has been deleted.
Badgerpuppy is still suggesting that inappropriate charges were made on company credit cards though. Will he be posting evidence of this or retracting his statement completely?
Badgerpuppy is still suggesting that inappropriate charges were made on company credit cards though. Will he be posting evidence of this or retracting his statement completely?
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Chaps,
As i said, just an observation, did not mean to stirr all of this stuff up.
Just wished to say that it looked a little daft to sack someone for their posessions, and that perhaps there was more to it. If someone had done what i was suggesting, then perhaps they were what i was suggesting.
Obviously not.
Honestly did not mean any harm and have no evidence and am quite prepared to be contacted by anyone who so wishes and will stand in the flack if it comes.
oops.
BP.
As i said, just an observation, did not mean to stirr all of this stuff up.
Just wished to say that it looked a little daft to sack someone for their posessions, and that perhaps there was more to it. If someone had done what i was suggesting, then perhaps they were what i was suggesting.
Obviously not.
Honestly did not mean any harm and have no evidence and am quite prepared to be contacted by anyone who so wishes and will stand in the flack if it comes.
oops.
BP.
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The crew members concerned are 100 % innocent of all charges.
2 have been fired, 2 others given written warnings for " failing to ensure they received adequate rest."
The accusations follow a report made by a hotel receptionist . This report has been pulled apart by the pilots and their respective legal teams.The Pilots have launched an appeal against their dismissals.
They are not disputing the fact that alcohol was signed for. It was not consumed by the pilots. It was consumed by an off duty engineer who was on a day off the next day.
There is no proof against these pilots which will stand up in a UK court of law.
2 have been fired, 2 others given written warnings for " failing to ensure they received adequate rest."
The accusations follow a report made by a hotel receptionist . This report has been pulled apart by the pilots and their respective legal teams.The Pilots have launched an appeal against their dismissals.
They are not disputing the fact that alcohol was signed for. It was not consumed by the pilots. It was consumed by an off duty engineer who was on a day off the next day.
There is no proof against these pilots which will stand up in a UK court of law.
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Life in NJE, or soon out of it, is not a case of having to make mistakes to get fired. Management rule by fear so when your number is up you will be singled out and made an example of. Unfortunately no-one has the b.lls to take a stand collectively against this so the situation perpetuates.
one would have hoped that now DM has expired things would have changed but I guess the disease has progressed beyond any hope of recovery!
one would have hoped that now DM has expired things would have changed but I guess the disease has progressed beyond any hope of recovery!
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I get it now - all kinds of unsupported assertions can be made here against the big (bad) employer - but best not say anything about the precious crew who just COULDN'T have been less than perfect
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I bet the company find it real easy to take the action they did and put themselves to all that bother when they could just do nowt and reap a bit of easy life?? Re-rostering and ultimately recruiting is a pain so i reckon they just might have prefferred not to have to bother?
The crime, of course, is getting caught.
.I bet the company find it real easy to take the action they did and put themselves to all that bother when they could just do nowt and reap a bit of easy life?? Re-rostering and ultimately recruiting is a pain so i reckon they just might have prefferred not to have to bother?
The crime, of course, is getting caught.
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There is an appeal hearing in the next week or so, those people involved have 4 witness statements confirming that what the company claims did not take place.
Those witnesses (3 are still employees) will and have told the company that were it to go to court they will be there on the behalf of those wrongly dismissed.
Let’s hope the "big bad company" use there heads and see the mistake that has happened.
The greatest of us have made mistakes and even NJE management can say sorry.
The guys just want to go flying.
I hope this reads better than my earlier post, any thoughts from those in Jersey?
Those witnesses (3 are still employees) will and have told the company that were it to go to court they will be there on the behalf of those wrongly dismissed.
Let’s hope the "big bad company" use there heads and see the mistake that has happened.
The greatest of us have made mistakes and even NJE management can say sorry.
The guys just want to go flying.
I hope this reads better than my earlier post, any thoughts from those in Jersey?
Last edited by simmatt; 6th Aug 2006 at 19:50.
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