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Safety Pilot
Hello all !
I am now the holder of a nice shiney CPL/IR and looking for work!
As I look for that dream job flying anything I can, I would like to keep current, and was wondering if anyone knows of any taxi/charter co's that would help me to build my flying experience by becoming a safety pilot?
Or indeed flying the dead legs if that would be possible?
I'm in the South-East (near LHR), so if anyone could help me out with a contact that would be marvelous!
I'm not expecting to get paid anything, and infact it wouldnt bother me if I didnt get anything .... im just in it for the flying!
Hope someone can help me out ...... please PM me !!
All the best
ABO
I am now the holder of a nice shiney CPL/IR and looking for work!
As I look for that dream job flying anything I can, I would like to keep current, and was wondering if anyone knows of any taxi/charter co's that would help me to build my flying experience by becoming a safety pilot?
Or indeed flying the dead legs if that would be possible?
I'm in the South-East (near LHR), so if anyone could help me out with a contact that would be marvelous!
I'm not expecting to get paid anything, and infact it wouldnt bother me if I didnt get anything .... im just in it for the flying!
Hope someone can help me out ...... please PM me !!
All the best
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.....come in spinner
My advice is to employ a secretary to answer your phones, yool have people ringing night and day offering work. Now you have made it known your available for work, employers will be competing to offer you the most money to get you working for them. 
Don't expect a 747 command first off, something realistic would be single pilot corporate work in something like a Gulfstream 5, then work your way up to a 747 or Hairbus 380 in six months or so.
A word of warning, don't expect to work too long in aviation. A person can only spend so much money, after 5 or 6 years yool have enough money to retire on.
Don't expect a 747 command first off, something realistic would be single pilot corporate work in something like a Gulfstream 5, then work your way up to a 747 or Hairbus 380 in six months or so.
A word of warning, don't expect to work too long in aviation. A person can only spend so much money, after 5 or 6 years yool have enough money to retire on.
Me thinks super cecil is a tad sarcastic!
If it's that bad in Oz, he should do what all the other antipodeans do.......imigrate to the UK on the grounds of his great great uncle who once lived in this fine country, he will easily get a job as Ive lost count of the Aussies who work for our airlines!
If it's that bad in Oz, he should do what all the other antipodeans do.......imigrate to the UK on the grounds of his great great uncle who once lived in this fine country, he will easily get a job as Ive lost count of the Aussies who work for our airlines!
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"Here we go" I thought, "I wonder if I can help this person?".
Then I read this....
Well done, you've just alienated a large prortion of the members in here.
Now I know you're all dead keen with your brand new licence but you might want to rethink your approach (pun intended) as it's a small world and the reputation you build now will stick with you for a long time.
Aviation is a profession and you are supposed to be a professional. Would you expect your doctor, dentist, plumber to work for free? What, do you think, might be the response if you asked an architect to design you a house for nothing? His reply would (rightly) be short and sharp and I suspect the second word would be 'off'.
When people work for free it undermines those who follow and are not lucky enough or subsidised by mummy and daddy, wife, girlfriend or whatever.
It debases our profession, it debases us.
Good luck in your job hunt but don't, whatever you do, give it away for nothing.
Then I read this....
I'm not expecting to get paid anything, and infact it wouldnt bother me if I didnt get anything .... im just in it for the flying!
Well done, you've just alienated a large prortion of the members in here.
Now I know you're all dead keen with your brand new licence but you might want to rethink your approach (pun intended) as it's a small world and the reputation you build now will stick with you for a long time.
Aviation is a profession and you are supposed to be a professional. Would you expect your doctor, dentist, plumber to work for free? What, do you think, might be the response if you asked an architect to design you a house for nothing? His reply would (rightly) be short and sharp and I suspect the second word would be 'off'.
When people work for free it undermines those who follow and are not lucky enough or subsidised by mummy and daddy, wife, girlfriend or whatever.
It debases our profession, it debases us.
Good luck in your job hunt but don't, whatever you do, give it away for nothing.
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well said, Flintstone.
I currently have these kind of discussions with some freelancers, they earn their money elsewhere and want to fly for free.
For the time beeing, none of these were employed. YET. But I fear, they will be one day. Thats the day i have to take their job and make enough money to fly for free.
Its just sad.
I currently have these kind of discussions with some freelancers, they earn their money elsewhere and want to fly for free.
For the time beeing, none of these were employed. YET. But I fear, they will be one day. Thats the day i have to take their job and make enough money to fly for free.
Its just sad.
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Low hours inexperience
Most flight schools are now recruiting for the summer, and someone with your lack of experience would benefit enourmously from the exposure to albeit flying PA28s, the commercial world.
Your understanding of flight(not ticking a box in an exam) CRM, experience of predicting weather, fuel management etc will come on leaps and bounds. Sure you won't earn a great deal but remember nobody comes out of med school and goes straight into brain surgery.
As long as your commited to providing the best service to your customers, this could be your best route.
ps the first contribution might have sounded sarcastic but after attending an interview with some newbie Oxford graduates i can tell you it isn't that far off the mark!
Your understanding of flight(not ticking a box in an exam) CRM, experience of predicting weather, fuel management etc will come on leaps and bounds. Sure you won't earn a great deal but remember nobody comes out of med school and goes straight into brain surgery.
As long as your commited to providing the best service to your customers, this could be your best route.
ps the first contribution might have sounded sarcastic but after attending an interview with some newbie Oxford graduates i can tell you it isn't that far off the mark!
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Good lord, why are some people so negative and down right nasty!
You have just managed to knock the enthusiasm out of what is probably a young man who is simply keen to use his new hard earned licence.....regardless who paid for it. Perhaps offering to work for free is misguided but give the lad a break. The architect you mentioned most probably didn't have to pay for f@*k all to get his training, he will walk straight into a well paid job and be safe for life.
You would be well advised to get an instructors rating, base yourself at a small regional airport somwhere, work hard, make lots of friends within the industry and before long you will be working for an airline.
Or do what I did and become an airline dispatcher, won't get you any flying hours but it's great experience of how an airline works, you will meet important people as you go about your duties.....and it's great fun.
Anyway, good luck to you.
You have just managed to knock the enthusiasm out of what is probably a young man who is simply keen to use his new hard earned licence.....regardless who paid for it. Perhaps offering to work for free is misguided but give the lad a break. The architect you mentioned most probably didn't have to pay for f@*k all to get his training, he will walk straight into a well paid job and be safe for life.
You would be well advised to get an instructors rating, base yourself at a small regional airport somwhere, work hard, make lots of friends within the industry and before long you will be working for an airline.
Or do what I did and become an airline dispatcher, won't get you any flying hours but it's great experience of how an airline works, you will meet important people as you go about your duties.....and it's great fun.
Anyway, good luck to you.
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What would you have him do then? Work for nothing and have it become the norm as operators become used to their free labour and in the meantime become a pariah among his colleagues? Hold on, it's too late. There are already companies who charge low timers to fly their aircraft. Imagine that, eh? Paying someone for the privilege of working for them and making them money. You couldn't make it up.
Is the cost of other professional training (architect or whatever) relevant? Yes. The fact that pilot training costs so much is even more reason to insist on being paid for our labours.
Look around you. Is the industry what it was, say, twenty years ago? Are pay and conditions what they were? Of course they aren't. You only have to spend half an hour on this site to see how some companies treat their employees and how the beancounters have whittled things away. How exactly is working for free going to help this situation?
Is the cost of other professional training (architect or whatever) relevant? Yes. The fact that pilot training costs so much is even more reason to insist on being paid for our labours.
Look around you. Is the industry what it was, say, twenty years ago? Are pay and conditions what they were? Of course they aren't. You only have to spend half an hour on this site to see how some companies treat their employees and how the beancounters have whittled things away. How exactly is working for free going to help this situation?
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Crikey! I was only after a few trips now and then, to see what its all like, and thought that a local charter or air taxi company would be able to let me come along for a ride! Im not after a job as such as I dont have enough hours! Perhaps I didnt make myself clear enough in the first post.
I myself have struggled through the last couple of years making great sacrifices to be where I am now. I'm suprised my family are still my family !
I have a job now, not doing what I want, but I will get there and with other people's help within the industry I will get there a lot quicker - hence posting what I did. It's nice to help each other!
I will never pay for a type rating, as I believe an airline should pay for it , so please dont paint me with the same brush.
Rant over ....... still welcoming helpful advise .....
I myself have struggled through the last couple of years making great sacrifices to be where I am now. I'm suprised my family are still my family !
I have a job now, not doing what I want, but I will get there and with other people's help within the industry I will get there a lot quicker - hence posting what I did. It's nice to help each other!
I will never pay for a type rating, as I believe an airline should pay for it , so please dont paint me with the same brush.
Rant over ....... still welcoming helpful advise .....
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ABO.
Your last post is somewhat at odds with what you said at the beginning which was
Getting started is hard, most of us have been there. But offering to fly for free is the thin end of a wedge that has already been driven some way in by others.
In a few years time when you're established in your career and a wannabee offers to come and do your job for nothing how will you feel?
If you've got this far you obviously have some mettle. Don't lower your standards now.
Edited to say....I just found this thread in R&N. Capt H Peacock's post just about says it all.
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Your last post is somewhat at odds with what you said at the beginning which was
I'm not expecting to get paid anything, and infact it wouldnt bother me if I didnt get anything .... im just in it for the flying!
In a few years time when you're established in your career and a wannabee offers to come and do your job for nothing how will you feel?
If you've got this far you obviously have some mettle. Don't lower your standards now.
Edited to say....I just found this thread in R&N. Capt H Peacock's post just about says it all.
When I started in this business more than 25 years ago, it was a highly respected profession. Like a surgeon or a lawyer, a professional pilot had demonstrated resolve and commitment, had achieved the highest academic and leadership skills, and was a skilled craftsman of his trade. Such a man was rewarded commensurately, and enjoyed the appreciation of those who engaged him and those who laid their lives in his hands.
People like O’Leary have brought this fine profession low, have stripped it of its ermine, and prostituted its honour like a cheap slut. The traditional lack of militancy, and the professional commitment of the airline pilot, together with the plentiful supply of new recruits who would do the job for nothing just to get a foot in the door, have been used by the O’Learys and beancounters of this world to undermine our livelihoods to the extent we are now but tradesmen.
When I look at that professional licence, the certificates proudly hung on the wall, the logbook with its thousands of hours, the children whose lives I have so scantly witnessed, and the wonderful woman who has raised them in my frequent absence, I imagine O’Leary stamping them into a muddy puddle while he laughs in my face.
The industry is now full of O’Learys. People who are not of measure or achievement, nor consummate leaders of men, treating me and my colleagues like refuse collectors. If O’Leary is guilty as charged, I will shed no tears.
Is a life sentence available?
People like O’Leary have brought this fine profession low, have stripped it of its ermine, and prostituted its honour like a cheap slut. The traditional lack of militancy, and the professional commitment of the airline pilot, together with the plentiful supply of new recruits who would do the job for nothing just to get a foot in the door, have been used by the O’Learys and beancounters of this world to undermine our livelihoods to the extent we are now but tradesmen.
When I look at that professional licence, the certificates proudly hung on the wall, the logbook with its thousands of hours, the children whose lives I have so scantly witnessed, and the wonderful woman who has raised them in my frequent absence, I imagine O’Leary stamping them into a muddy puddle while he laughs in my face.
The industry is now full of O’Learys. People who are not of measure or achievement, nor consummate leaders of men, treating me and my colleagues like refuse collectors. If O’Leary is guilty as charged, I will shed no tears.
Is a life sentence available?
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