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Hi Folks,
I am interested in possibly moving from airline to corporate work and would be grateful for a little information on lifestyle and opportunities within the market.
1.Is it possible to work for an operator yet live outside of the usual 1 hours travelling distance? I am aware of Netjets, but is it possible to work for e.g. a UK operator and live a distance away from home base.
2.Is there any information available on the benefits of working for a corporate jet company versus a private jet owner/operator.
3.Where would you advise I look to find contacts for both corporate jet companies and private owner/operators.
I suspect that this may be a fairly regular query so apologies if I have missed out on any archived material. Thanks for your help.
I am interested in possibly moving from airline to corporate work and would be grateful for a little information on lifestyle and opportunities within the market.
1.Is it possible to work for an operator yet live outside of the usual 1 hours travelling distance? I am aware of Netjets, but is it possible to work for e.g. a UK operator and live a distance away from home base.
2.Is there any information available on the benefits of working for a corporate jet company versus a private jet owner/operator.
3.Where would you advise I look to find contacts for both corporate jet companies and private owner/operators.
I suspect that this may be a fairly regular query so apologies if I have missed out on any archived material. Thanks for your help.
Hi, Don't know if this will be of any help but as far as I can tell the best way to get list of contacts is through an FBO such as 'Execair' as they have all the billing information. Whether they will give this to you or not I don't know, I used to work for them so it helps if you know somebody on the inside. Certainly working for an FBO is the best way to meet the crews and the execs of the company, however I doubt that you will want to quit the airline to work for pennies at an FBO!
Anyway, hope that helps!
YS
Anyway, hope that helps!
YS
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It's been asked before!!
Rieke had a thread about 6 months ago (and again now) which laid out the pros/cons of what you're thinking about doing...suggest doing a search?
Sorry - but my experience has been that it isn't usually a happy move from the Airlines to Corporate. I know that NetJets offer a form of roster, but it's usually less structured than that.
Some companies will automaticaly round file your cv as soon as they see the word 'Airline'.
Rieke had a thread about 6 months ago (and again now) which laid out the pros/cons of what you're thinking about doing...suggest doing a search?
Sorry - but my experience has been that it isn't usually a happy move from the Airlines to Corporate. I know that NetJets offer a form of roster, but it's usually less structured than that.
Some companies will automaticaly round file your cv as soon as they see the word 'Airline'.
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Folks,
thanks for your replies. Much obliged.
727exec - Your experience of airline pilots not succeeding in the corporate environment intrigues me. What was it about the ex airline guys that meant things didn't go well? Do corporate operators figure airline guys don't like getting their hands dirty and getting the job done or is it something else. I am looking for the thread you referred to but in the meantime suspect you have touched on something more cultural than I was aware of. Whats the story?
Has anyone else had the same experience of airline guys not fitting into corporate life?
thanks for your replies. Much obliged.
727exec - Your experience of airline pilots not succeeding in the corporate environment intrigues me. What was it about the ex airline guys that meant things didn't go well? Do corporate operators figure airline guys don't like getting their hands dirty and getting the job done or is it something else. I am looking for the thread you referred to but in the meantime suspect you have touched on something more cultural than I was aware of. Whats the story?
Has anyone else had the same experience of airline guys not fitting into corporate life?
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We also experienced a "major cultural" problems with ex airline folks. I think that they first love the idea of life without a set roster but soon start to hate if they don't get home for that important evening when the dogs nails need to be cut.
Seems to be a major problem to carry younger passenger luggage through the terminals...
Never mind the problems when stucked an extra day in West Africa without air condition.
Nikolai
Seems to be a major problem to carry younger passenger luggage through the terminals...
Never mind the problems when stucked an extra day in West Africa without air condition.
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It is a completely different culture...nicely put Kopeloi.
Maybe we should ask what it is that attracts Big Boab to 'our' World?
Corporate has it's high spots - I've been lucky enough to live the film star life whilst on my humble wages, but I've also had years when I've only been home for 35 days.
Corporate Guys (and Girls) are used to turning their hands to anything. The flying accounts for maybe 10% of the work...otherwise you are carrying bags, organising the catering, sorting out the loo (or two!), fixing the IFE, hoovering, serving the catering (and doing the washing up - but don't tell Her In Doors that I know how to do it!!!!!!!!!!!).
Oh, and the aviation stuff like doing Jepp amendments, filing flight plans, negotiating slots...etc etc.
'Our' World is used to snoozing in a lounge or on the aircraft waiting for a Boss who is 5 hours late, turns up, and then 20 minutes into a flight across the Pond, wants to go somewhere completely different - and have hotels for his Guests along with Limos, as well as HIS helicopter waiting when we land. I know - it happened to me.
Airline Chaps have Ops Departments at the end of a phone, and would probably declare themselves 'out of hours'.
Some Companies like NetJets have a 6 days on and 5 off culture, but for most of us, it's when the phone rings (although, I must admit that things have generally improved over the last few years - an effort to keep the crew). However, the Russian Owner can be a tough one...arrives 12 hours late, wants you to fly for 28 hours and then you get stuck on the plane for 8 hours waiting for a visa to get off...again - seen it happen...and don't even think of saying 'nyet'.
Some Airline Bods arrive in 'our' World saying 'in XYZAir, we used to do it this way'...not a promising start usually, because they are not in that World anymore.
Anyway - I'm sure that others will have their say, but I would be fascinated to discover how the Airlines perceive the Corporate World...over to them!
Maybe we should ask what it is that attracts Big Boab to 'our' World?
Corporate has it's high spots - I've been lucky enough to live the film star life whilst on my humble wages, but I've also had years when I've only been home for 35 days.
Corporate Guys (and Girls) are used to turning their hands to anything. The flying accounts for maybe 10% of the work...otherwise you are carrying bags, organising the catering, sorting out the loo (or two!), fixing the IFE, hoovering, serving the catering (and doing the washing up - but don't tell Her In Doors that I know how to do it!!!!!!!!!!!).
Oh, and the aviation stuff like doing Jepp amendments, filing flight plans, negotiating slots...etc etc.
'Our' World is used to snoozing in a lounge or on the aircraft waiting for a Boss who is 5 hours late, turns up, and then 20 minutes into a flight across the Pond, wants to go somewhere completely different - and have hotels for his Guests along with Limos, as well as HIS helicopter waiting when we land. I know - it happened to me.
Airline Chaps have Ops Departments at the end of a phone, and would probably declare themselves 'out of hours'.
Some Companies like NetJets have a 6 days on and 5 off culture, but for most of us, it's when the phone rings (although, I must admit that things have generally improved over the last few years - an effort to keep the crew). However, the Russian Owner can be a tough one...arrives 12 hours late, wants you to fly for 28 hours and then you get stuck on the plane for 8 hours waiting for a visa to get off...again - seen it happen...and don't even think of saying 'nyet'.
Some Airline Bods arrive in 'our' World saying 'in XYZAir, we used to do it this way'...not a promising start usually, because they are not in that World anymore.
Anyway - I'm sure that others will have their say, but I would be fascinated to discover how the Airlines perceive the Corporate World...over to them!
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Kopeloi and 727exec, many thanks for your thoughts.
My reasons for enquiring about the corporate world is that given existing basing policy within my company, I have spent countless years living away at the other end of the country from where I live. Many reasons for being unable to move completely.
I have heard whispers of some companies and private operators that would require you to arrive at the aircraft base say 12 hours from first call out or even as you noted have some basic form of roster or at least a flying plan. With some experience of corporate aviation in another life before flying, I believe I am aware of the more arduous side of your operation.
My enquiry is therefore to investigate whether paradoxically, given my circumstances, even though operations are significantly more unpredictable in corporate, I might not in fact actually get to see own bed more often. I feel as soon as I write this that it will promote howls of laughter but if I don't ask I'll never know. My experience so far suggests to me that not all airline work is as wrapped in cotton wool as you suggest but I am grateful for your thoughts. I am interested to hear particularly from anyone who has successfuly made the transition from airline to corporate, suffered the slings and arrows etc. and come out the other side, still enjoying the job.
As they say - over to you.
My reasons for enquiring about the corporate world is that given existing basing policy within my company, I have spent countless years living away at the other end of the country from where I live. Many reasons for being unable to move completely.
I have heard whispers of some companies and private operators that would require you to arrive at the aircraft base say 12 hours from first call out or even as you noted have some basic form of roster or at least a flying plan. With some experience of corporate aviation in another life before flying, I believe I am aware of the more arduous side of your operation.
My enquiry is therefore to investigate whether paradoxically, given my circumstances, even though operations are significantly more unpredictable in corporate, I might not in fact actually get to see own bed more often. I feel as soon as I write this that it will promote howls of laughter but if I don't ask I'll never know. My experience so far suggests to me that not all airline work is as wrapped in cotton wool as you suggest but I am grateful for your thoughts. I am interested to hear particularly from anyone who has successfuly made the transition from airline to corporate, suffered the slings and arrows etc. and come out the other side, still enjoying the job.
As they say - over to you.
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Big Boab:
You may well fit in fine in Corporate/Business Aviation.
One of the things though is that just like the airlines we have to send pilots to a TRTO to get the type rating, so at present companies are not spending the circa £20,000 it can cost, when there may be type rated pilots out there who are available.
The same with the airlines prefering to take type rated pilots if possible.
It doesn't mean you're not suitable, just which is the least expensive option.
Also corporate flying, as against air taxi work for the likes of Netjets etc, will often look for people with considerable experience on type. Maybe if you've got 737 or Airbus 320 experience you can be useful to the newer operators of the BBJ and ACJ.
Cheers, H
You may well fit in fine in Corporate/Business Aviation.
One of the things though is that just like the airlines we have to send pilots to a TRTO to get the type rating, so at present companies are not spending the circa £20,000 it can cost, when there may be type rated pilots out there who are available.
The same with the airlines prefering to take type rated pilots if possible.
It doesn't mean you're not suitable, just which is the least expensive option.
Also corporate flying, as against air taxi work for the likes of Netjets etc, will often look for people with considerable experience on type. Maybe if you've got 737 or Airbus 320 experience you can be useful to the newer operators of the BBJ and ACJ.
Cheers, H
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I am fortunate to be based at the FBO near the town where I live in the US. I am ex C Crew and Crew Mgt (corporate and commercial) and have spent years travelling , based in the UK and Gulf. I am now working for an exec charter company...from a dept manager's point of view over here, and as an expat, the lifestyle is good, although there are sometimes instant schedule changes and it is often necessary to head up to the office on a weekend. Having said that, that is the challenge of the position for me...the unexpected. The good thing is, with a small fleet, it is easier to anticipate some of the problems.
Main thing is, I am at home evry night with the family, although sometimes later than I would like. I am also close enough to the house to get back there quickly if necessary. My hours are fairly flexible and I am able to work from home a couple of days a week if I choose. So, cannot really complain.
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Main thing is, I am at home evry night with the family, although sometimes later than I would like. I am also close enough to the house to get back there quickly if necessary. My hours are fairly flexible and I am able to work from home a couple of days a week if I choose. So, cannot really complain.
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TDH and Homesick Rae, thanks for your posts. This is all good information and helps me get a better feeling as to whether or not corporate is the way forward for me.
Are there any ex airline guys out there who are now involved in business/corporate aviation who would like to add their two penn'erth on the subject?
Are there any ex airline guys out there who are now involved in business/corporate aviation who would like to add their two penn'erth on the subject?
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I have the "fortune"
of having spent 15 years at TWA(the last couple at AA) and now I'm in corporate.
I have been extremely lucky to have come into a great department and flying the top equipment. I realize that I leapfrogged over many lifelong corporate pilots and grabbed the brass ring.
Now, to the nuts and bolts. I now have to haul trash out of the plane(I did that at TWA voluntarily to quick-turn a plane). I have to load and unload bags(I did that at TWA--voluntarily taking bags or strollers down the jetway so the rampers didn't have to run up and get them.). I have to stock the aircraft when we return home. I occasionally pick up fruit from the market because the owner likes it and it has become tradition for the pilots to get his "whole fruit". Hardly degrading for a pilot.
We pull our own flight plans. Same as the airline. The flight plan format is almost identical to the airline type. Our planner gives us the itinerary which frequently changes after we leave home. We do the Jepp revisions(soon to be no more with EFB installed in the aircraft).
I have a lot more respect for corporate pilots now than I did before coming to this company. Even with excellent handlers like Air Ops/Universal there is so much responsibility placed on the individuals flying the aircraft. No dispatcher to give us a fuel load or hold our hands when we have to divert. The airlines spoon-feed you. Everything is laid out for you from the time you get hired to your retirement(voluntary or not!).
Usually, we have a FA to handle the back. If not, the pax pretty much keep to themselves--unless the DirectTV goes out. Then it gets ugly.
No lav dumping or deep aircraft cleaning.
I miss the airlines... Let me rephrase that. I miss what I had at TWA prior to the AA buyout. I really can't say if I will accept a recall. I know I told them I was done with it when I interviewed. I have a great deal here, we rarely work more than 15 days a month. Although sometimes those 15 days can be all at one whack--that just the way things are. If I go back, I'm still at the bottom of a large seniority list in a very volitile industry. I'm 46 so I really don' have much more time for mistakes and setbacks in my airline career.
It's nice to do one day trips, it's almost like not working at all. With the airline I had to commute(which is tough these days) or drive from IND to STL(4 hours which is tougher). Now, I drive 15 minutes. We have a 2 hour call out but it's very rarely less than 12 hours notice. Yes, the pax are sometimes late but not that often. (Apparently not like the Russians!
)
A lot will depend on my second year pay. We are at the bottom of industry standard but we are not located in a high cost area. If it goes up the max allowable amount by department rules, great. The bonuses have been running about 3-5% which is nice.
On the down side, the owners could croak tomorrow and the department could be sold off and I'm on the street again. But there is no job security in aviation right now for newhires. At least I'm getting time in a valuable aircraft and I'll be typed in both GV and GIV by Spring '05.
Sorry to be so long-winded but I hope this has helped. I realize things could be different where you are. Good luck.TC
of having spent 15 years at TWA(the last couple at AA) and now I'm in corporate.I have been extremely lucky to have come into a great department and flying the top equipment. I realize that I leapfrogged over many lifelong corporate pilots and grabbed the brass ring.
Now, to the nuts and bolts. I now have to haul trash out of the plane(I did that at TWA voluntarily to quick-turn a plane). I have to load and unload bags(I did that at TWA--voluntarily taking bags or strollers down the jetway so the rampers didn't have to run up and get them.). I have to stock the aircraft when we return home. I occasionally pick up fruit from the market because the owner likes it and it has become tradition for the pilots to get his "whole fruit". Hardly degrading for a pilot.
We pull our own flight plans. Same as the airline. The flight plan format is almost identical to the airline type. Our planner gives us the itinerary which frequently changes after we leave home. We do the Jepp revisions(soon to be no more with EFB installed in the aircraft).
I have a lot more respect for corporate pilots now than I did before coming to this company. Even with excellent handlers like Air Ops/Universal there is so much responsibility placed on the individuals flying the aircraft. No dispatcher to give us a fuel load or hold our hands when we have to divert. The airlines spoon-feed you. Everything is laid out for you from the time you get hired to your retirement(voluntary or not!).
Usually, we have a FA to handle the back. If not, the pax pretty much keep to themselves--unless the DirectTV goes out. Then it gets ugly.
No lav dumping or deep aircraft cleaning.
I miss the airlines... Let me rephrase that. I miss what I had at TWA prior to the AA buyout. I really can't say if I will accept a recall. I know I told them I was done with it when I interviewed. I have a great deal here, we rarely work more than 15 days a month. Although sometimes those 15 days can be all at one whack--that just the way things are. If I go back, I'm still at the bottom of a large seniority list in a very volitile industry. I'm 46 so I really don' have much more time for mistakes and setbacks in my airline career.
It's nice to do one day trips, it's almost like not working at all. With the airline I had to commute(which is tough these days) or drive from IND to STL(4 hours which is tougher). Now, I drive 15 minutes. We have a 2 hour call out but it's very rarely less than 12 hours notice. Yes, the pax are sometimes late but not that often. (Apparently not like the Russians!
)A lot will depend on my second year pay. We are at the bottom of industry standard but we are not located in a high cost area. If it goes up the max allowable amount by department rules, great. The bonuses have been running about 3-5% which is nice.
On the down side, the owners could croak tomorrow and the department could be sold off and I'm on the street again. But there is no job security in aviation right now for newhires. At least I'm getting time in a valuable aircraft and I'll be typed in both GV and GIV by Spring '05.
Sorry to be so long-winded but I hope this has helped. I realize things could be different where you are. Good luck.TC
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Its the corporate world where the owner makes the decisions and yes sometimes they can be hard work.
Lets have a minuite to think about the poor flight attendant who's been running around town most of the day, getting things for the flight ordering catering ensuring that the aircraft is clean and upto the standard expected
I have worked with many corporate pilots both ex commercial and only corporate pilots
The ex commercial pilots from my point of view seem to give us a harder time than the only corporate pilots do.
Flying all night and having min rest has to be the worst. From arriving cleaning the plane, whilst some just sit and eat sandwiches / read newspapers (not all) to the guys that help the f/a get things sorted in the cabin to getting to the hotel, flight deck go to bed, yet we have to make sure laundry is done, organize catering or find the finest restaurant to get catering from to eventually having a few hours rest yet then looking perfect for the return / onward sector.
From my opinion I would have to say that that the ex-commercial guys are harder reasons being:-
1. You are here to clean
2. You are here to feed us and treat us like kings
3. Mess up your cabin after you have just cleaned it
4. Mess up your toilets / or leave nice smells
5. Expect to be silver served
6. I am the Captain (how many times can you say it and
whats your point)
7. Get huffy when the principle pax tells you the plan or calls you
with the info for the flight before the captain (how huffy can
you get yet we spend the most time with them and know them
better)
8. Want you to treat them with respect yet give you no reason
to respect them see 1-7
there are many more perhaps some other corporate f/a's would like to add a few more.
At the end of the day we are all supposed to work as a team, but has anyone ever thought that if we all help each other, especially when cleaning up the cabin etc we could all help and get away quicker especially to the bar. Or is it just my ideal
In no way does the above apply to all just the odd few who ruin it for the rest.
FLC
Its the corporate world where the owner makes the decisions and yes sometimes they can be hard work.
Lets have a minuite to think about the poor flight attendant who's been running around town most of the day, getting things for the flight ordering catering ensuring that the aircraft is clean and upto the standard expected
I have worked with many corporate pilots both ex commercial and only corporate pilots
The ex commercial pilots from my point of view seem to give us a harder time than the only corporate pilots do.
Flying all night and having min rest has to be the worst. From arriving cleaning the plane, whilst some just sit and eat sandwiches / read newspapers (not all) to the guys that help the f/a get things sorted in the cabin to getting to the hotel, flight deck go to bed, yet we have to make sure laundry is done, organize catering or find the finest restaurant to get catering from to eventually having a few hours rest yet then looking perfect for the return / onward sector.
From my opinion I would have to say that that the ex-commercial guys are harder reasons being:-
1. You are here to clean
2. You are here to feed us and treat us like kings
3. Mess up your cabin after you have just cleaned it
4. Mess up your toilets / or leave nice smells
5. Expect to be silver served
6. I am the Captain (how many times can you say it and
whats your point)
7. Get huffy when the principle pax tells you the plan or calls you
with the info for the flight before the captain (how huffy can
you get yet we spend the most time with them and know them
better)
8. Want you to treat them with respect yet give you no reason
to respect them see 1-7
there are many more perhaps some other corporate f/a's would like to add a few more.
At the end of the day we are all supposed to work as a team, but has anyone ever thought that if we all help each other, especially when cleaning up the cabin etc we could all help and get away quicker especially to the bar. Or is it just my ideal
In no way does the above apply to all just the odd few who ruin it for the rest.
FLC
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What I'd say is that you have to be EXTREMELY flexible and expect the unexpected...
Depends on what aircraft type you work on as well but it can be very lonely and you have to be the type that gets on with anybody... flight deck and flight attendants... oh and pax, I guess, 'cos there's all sorts out there !!!
I also found it very frustrating: all the effort that's put in by yourself to make the aircraft look, smell nice, the menus elaborated, the meal prensentation, the cleaning, the hoovering, the washing up, the making up of beds, the cleaning up afterwards (yeah, you can imagine... especially when you have beds on board...), the cooking, the shopping, the cleaning of linen, dishes, toilets, mirrors, seats, carpets, bla bla bla and so on....
And you know what you get from the pax after all that ???? Very rarely a lovely thick enveloppe (those days are over), sometimes a "thank-you", but most of the time just a little nod of the head, a vague smile and a hand-shake..... What an ungrateful bunch !!!!! Needless to say, I'm back on the commercial runs now ! Less prestige but definitely more rewarding... And yes, I do have a life now, which I didn't have then.
Depends on what aircraft type you work on as well but it can be very lonely and you have to be the type that gets on with anybody... flight deck and flight attendants... oh and pax, I guess, 'cos there's all sorts out there !!!
I also found it very frustrating: all the effort that's put in by yourself to make the aircraft look, smell nice, the menus elaborated, the meal prensentation, the cleaning, the hoovering, the washing up, the making up of beds, the cleaning up afterwards (yeah, you can imagine... especially when you have beds on board...), the cooking, the shopping, the cleaning of linen, dishes, toilets, mirrors, seats, carpets, bla bla bla and so on....
And you know what you get from the pax after all that ???? Very rarely a lovely thick enveloppe (those days are over), sometimes a "thank-you", but most of the time just a little nod of the head, a vague smile and a hand-shake..... What an ungrateful bunch !!!!! Needless to say, I'm back on the commercial runs now ! Less prestige but definitely more rewarding... And yes, I do have a life now, which I didn't have then.
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Ive been in corporate in one way or another for about 9 years now. I was given some useful advice by the first guy I flew with:
Never walk past a shop without getting a sandwich.
Never walk past a toilet without using it.
Always have an emergency night stop kit in the aircraft.
The bigger the aircraft the bigger your suitcase needs to be.
Its not the aircraft you fly that makes the job its the people you work for.
All sound advice especially that last one. If you have a good understanding boss you will have a good job, if maybe a little unpredictable.
If you work in a small flight department with just enough crew to operate teh aircraft don't expect to get your holiday entitlement, thats the downside. The upside can be nice palces to spend a few days away in nice hotels with good company.
Never walk past a shop without getting a sandwich.
Never walk past a toilet without using it.
Always have an emergency night stop kit in the aircraft.
The bigger the aircraft the bigger your suitcase needs to be.
Its not the aircraft you fly that makes the job its the people you work for.
All sound advice especially that last one. If you have a good understanding boss you will have a good job, if maybe a little unpredictable.
If you work in a small flight department with just enough crew to operate teh aircraft don't expect to get your holiday entitlement, thats the downside. The upside can be nice palces to spend a few days away in nice hotels with good company.
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Corporate F/A's
I completely agree with the last 2 posts, they are well written and completely sum up what life is like as a Corp F/A
Yes, there is the perceived glamour, and fab hotels etc, but it is definitely a dogsbody job no matter what some newcomers with rose coloured glasses may tell you. You dont have a life ultimately, and yes I have met and worked with some great , down to earth pilots who help out and encourage the team atmosphere, and its been fun to have a beer with after work. However way too many prima donna pilots out there who are much more demanding than the pax and can make your life hell, quite a few who really look down on F/A's. Yes, the Captains can often get jealous if you have more info than they on the pax next flights, yet as last post says, we have much more contact with pax so thats quite logical. Some very huge and delicate egos out there! It all gets old very quickly.
Yes, there is the perceived glamour, and fab hotels etc, but it is definitely a dogsbody job no matter what some newcomers with rose coloured glasses may tell you. You dont have a life ultimately, and yes I have met and worked with some great , down to earth pilots who help out and encourage the team atmosphere, and its been fun to have a beer with after work. However way too many prima donna pilots out there who are much more demanding than the pax and can make your life hell, quite a few who really look down on F/A's. Yes, the Captains can often get jealous if you have more info than they on the pax next flights, yet as last post says, we have much more contact with pax so thats quite logical. Some very huge and delicate egos out there! It all gets old very quickly.
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Giving up
After some research and interviews I have decided it is not for me. I am a very sociable person, love meeting and working with people, I need them around me. I just think it's far too lonely in Corporate world. And of course all the rest...no...not for me.
So I'll just stick with my current job, I think!
So I'll just stick with my current job, I think!
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Nice one flightlevelchange! you seem to have that one in a nutshell!
I do agree with all that - ex-commercial pilots can have more of a tendancy to bitch and moan about the unsociable hours, how it used to be in their wonderful company and some some of them definitely appear to bring their ´god complex´ with them to the private sector.
As a flight attendant having flown commercial, give me corporate any day. it is so important to get on as a crew and with the right combination it is almost like having a second family.
But all it takes is one bad apple to ruin everything - no matter what part of the crew they are. I think the bottom line is, however, flights attendants don´t suffer from delusions of grandeur. That appears to be more of a pilot infliction.
You are flying a VIP aircraft baby - doesn´t make you a VIP! We all have to clean toilets at some point!
This is by no means meant to be a "pilot bashing"! The majority of the boys I have flown with are diamonds!
i do not think whether or not you have flown commercial determines your ability to fly corporate. But it definitely requires a certain type of person - be it flight deck or cabin crew.
Enough of my rambling!
cheerio
I do agree with all that - ex-commercial pilots can have more of a tendancy to bitch and moan about the unsociable hours, how it used to be in their wonderful company and some some of them definitely appear to bring their ´god complex´ with them to the private sector.
As a flight attendant having flown commercial, give me corporate any day. it is so important to get on as a crew and with the right combination it is almost like having a second family.
But all it takes is one bad apple to ruin everything - no matter what part of the crew they are. I think the bottom line is, however, flights attendants don´t suffer from delusions of grandeur. That appears to be more of a pilot infliction.
You are flying a VIP aircraft baby - doesn´t make you a VIP! We all have to clean toilets at some point!
This is by no means meant to be a "pilot bashing"! The majority of the boys I have flown with are diamonds!
i do not think whether or not you have flown commercial determines your ability to fly corporate. But it definitely requires a certain type of person - be it flight deck or cabin crew.
Enough of my rambling!
cheerio
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Haamd
Thanks for that, yeh I also agree its a way of life and give me also a Corporate Jet anyday.
It is a way of life and can be real good fun, sweety sorry you have decided not to go for it, I am well sure you would have loved it.
Haamd PM me
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FLC
Thanks for that, yeh I also agree its a way of life and give me also a Corporate Jet anyday.
It is a way of life and can be real good fun, sweety sorry you have decided not to go for it, I am well sure you would have loved it.
Haamd PM me
Thanks
FLC