Duty hours? weight and balance? you're avin a larf!
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Dear AA717driver, would you mind telling me why you think the rules are different in regards to O2 in the corporate world than 121.
Also please let me know what corporate aircraft you think you will have to fly on that you will need to be on O2 for 11 bloody hours?
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CP
A former Boeing 727 Captain.
Also please let me know what corporate aircraft you think you will have to fly on that you will need to be on O2 for 11 bloody hours?
Thanks
CP
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Kishna:
what I think is annoying, is the fact that most Flightduty regs have been done with HUGE influence of AIRLINE Pilots interest groups like say BALPA or VC (Germany).
When these rules are in force after ignoring the fact that they cannot suit for Exec/coorporate work, the same people (AIRLINE PILOTS) start to complain about the nonadhering bloody coorporate/exec lowlifes. I tried to join VC years ago and was told that they don´t have any interrest in no AIRLINE pilots.
(Fair enough, they are an airline pilots association)
I personally have no problem whatsoever, to be on Duty for 18 hours, if I had good rest before and if don´t have to do it permanently. One should not miss the point, that our work is completely different to Airline work.
All these rules can be followed pretty easily IF there is a fixed schedule (Bus drivers). Now, if there is no schedule (Taxi drivers), those rules cannot be followed all the time, unless you are willing to put yourself out of business.
what I think is annoying, is the fact that most Flightduty regs have been done with HUGE influence of AIRLINE Pilots interest groups like say BALPA or VC (Germany).
When these rules are in force after ignoring the fact that they cannot suit for Exec/coorporate work, the same people (AIRLINE PILOTS) start to complain about the nonadhering bloody coorporate/exec lowlifes. I tried to join VC years ago and was told that they don´t have any interrest in no AIRLINE pilots.
(Fair enough, they are an airline pilots association)
I personally have no problem whatsoever, to be on Duty for 18 hours, if I had good rest before and if don´t have to do it permanently. One should not miss the point, that our work is completely different to Airline work.
All these rules can be followed pretty easily IF there is a fixed schedule (Bus drivers). Now, if there is no schedule (Taxi drivers), those rules cannot be followed all the time, unless you are willing to put yourself out of business.
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totally agree with H.D.
however until we can have seperate regulations, for "scheduled" and "non scheduled" operations, us in GA, either as private of charter, are suffering from excessive regulation.
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On this particular flight they were going from Lima, Peru to Milan ,Italy. Having flown for this company I can asure you the luggage for 6 people , medical equipment required for this trip is alot. So the locker tank was full both baggage compartments filled to capacity pretty much as much as you can fit in the baggage with no thought of weight. then in the cabin most everything is stowed to the rear. Now take in mind the crew did not monitor the fueling ..Possibly the left switch was bumped off resulting in a huge imbalance. So now you have all that weight to the rear and no fuel in the left tip tank . I just done a weight and balance for this flight. the are off the scale aft cg.
On this particular flight they were going from Lima, Peru to Milan ,Italy. Having flown for this company I can asure you the luggage for 6 people , medical equipment required for this trip is alot. So the locker tank was full both baggage compartments filled to capacity pretty much as much as you can fit in the baggage with no thought of weight. then in the cabin most everything is stowed to the rear. Now take in mind the crew did not monitor the fueling ..Possibly the left switch was bumped off resulting in a huge imbalance. So now you have all that weight to the rear and no fuel in the left tip tank . I just done a weight and balance for this flight. the are off the scale aft cg.
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OK I have the picture now, thanks.
The dual refueling switches was/is a big, big problem to me with the Westwind. Having one of the switches accidentally turned off happened to me a couple of times. Once in the Caribbean after I had turned on both switches myself the refuel truck driver managed to somehow turn off one of the switches. I barely, and I mean barely caught it in time to be able to turn off the heavy wing switch.
I am sure if they had 4 paxs with baggage and the locker tank there is little doubt that they were over gross. However I can’t believe that they tried to takeoff with one empty tip tank. Now I’m not saying they didn’t, just that I can’t believe anybody would do such a thing.
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CP
PS. It was a 1124, not a Westwind II right?
The dual refueling switches was/is a big, big problem to me with the Westwind. Having one of the switches accidentally turned off happened to me a couple of times. Once in the Caribbean after I had turned on both switches myself the refuel truck driver managed to somehow turn off one of the switches. I barely, and I mean barely caught it in time to be able to turn off the heavy wing switch.
I am sure if they had 4 paxs with baggage and the locker tank there is little doubt that they were over gross. However I can’t believe that they tried to takeoff with one empty tip tank. Now I’m not saying they didn’t, just that I can’t believe anybody would do such a thing.
Thanks!
CP
PS. It was a 1124, not a Westwind II right?
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According to line guy in Panama both pilots were sitting 100 yards away smoking while under a tree. No one checked the fuel load or the amount they bought. If they did they would have realized that 601 gallons was not enough to fly a 5 hr leg. On top of that they airplane was leaning right. Then on take off roll captain is heard saying " More left rudder, I need More left rudder" seconds latter the co-pilot reamrks "WOW" then they crashed. Once again a a series of mistakes killing inocent people. So if you do the math for a 5 hr leg with pax, luggage, medical supplies and enougth fuel for 1900 lbs reserve the were 1000 lbs over gross. And atleast 2000 lbs over weight for the day.
According to line guy in Panama both pilots were sitting 100 yards away smoking while under a tree. No one checked the fuel load or the amount they bought. If they did they would have realized that 601 gallons was not enough to fly a 5 hr leg. On top of that they airplane was leaning right. Then on take off roll captain is heard saying " More left rudder, I need More left rudder" seconds latter the co-pilot reamrks "WOW" then they crashed. Once again a a series of mistakes killing inocent people. So if you do the math for a 5 hr leg with pax, luggage, medical supplies and enougth fuel for 1900 lbs reserve the were 1000 lbs over gross. And atleast 2000 lbs over weight for the day.
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Howz this for bad... I know air crew (2 pilots, 1 F/A) og a private Gulfstream V that in the past OFTEN flew from Luton (EGGW) to Cape Town (FACT) non-stop, arrive in FACT in the moring (approx. 08:00) and then at bout 17:00 the same crew have to fly the pax back to Luton... utter madness... and If you complain, you get the "if you're not happy go elsewhere"....until something happens, that is...
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