oops blackbushe bizjet crash
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oops blackbushe bizjet crash
Driving past Blackbushe today -saw shiny biz jet /beechjet(?) N200?? completely totalled against low bank at the far western end of the runway. It seemed to have only just happened altho emergency services partially in attendence, and A30 was being closed I think after I drove on further.
Aircraft was in an extra ordinary mess with wing ripped completely off and balanced on top of the fuselage which itself was on its side and facing back towards the east. Must have over run the runway due to amount of damage. Hopefully everyone got out ok as no sign of fire or ambulances but a total write off.
Weather seemed ok except pretty strong northerly wind -anyone know what happened
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Aircraft was in an extra ordinary mess with wing ripped completely off and balanced on top of the fuselage which itself was on its side and facing back towards the east. Must have over run the runway due to amount of damage. Hopefully everyone got out ok as no sign of fire or ambulances but a total write off.
Weather seemed ok except pretty strong northerly wind -anyone know what happened
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not a lot more info but Pilot is safe (slight injuries) ......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...et/3608221.stm
sister ship .........
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=260977
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...et/3608221.stm
sister ship .........
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=260977
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N200PM private Premier being flown by 1 pilot (poss owner/pilot can't remember) from Farnborough to Blackbushe.
Made a radio call once realising he couldn't stop and managed to slew it round onto the grass.
Made a radio call once realising he couldn't stop and managed to slew it round onto the grass.
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Bear in mind how bad anything made of fibreglass (sic) looks when smashed up and you have some idea of how bad it was!
Drove past later on in the day once the A30 had been reopened, it looked bad, but then when they're not in one piece they generally do.
Aside from the speculation above regarding the nature of the problem which caused this, what are people's views on this level/type of aircraft being Single Crew. Bear in mind it's got the performance of the Learjet 45, but it's lighter...
Drove past later on in the day once the A30 had been reopened, it looked bad, but then when they're not in one piece they generally do.
Aside from the speculation above regarding the nature of the problem which caused this, what are people's views on this level/type of aircraft being Single Crew. Bear in mind it's got the performance of the Learjet 45, but it's lighter...
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Saw it later on Meridian TV news and surprised it was single crew-looks a relatively large complex aircraft. Not surprised at brake problem theory as it had obviously gone off the end at serious speed.
For once the journos were not exagerating with thier comment that it came to rest less than 6m from a two fuel tankers - if anything it was even closer to two trailer tankers labelled Jet A 1.
Anyway glad the guy got out unhurt-bad luck to have had the accident but real lucky to walk away
For once the journos were not exagerating with thier comment that it came to rest less than 6m from a two fuel tankers - if anything it was even closer to two trailer tankers labelled Jet A 1.
Anyway glad the guy got out unhurt-bad luck to have had the accident but real lucky to walk away
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Think it comes under the 12,500lb weight that the FAA put on single crew ops. Interesting point though, as these aircraft become more and more complex and are more and more angled towards the owner driver, is single crew ops a good idea?
Think it comes under the 12,500lb weight that the FAA put on single crew ops. Interesting point though, as these aircraft become more and more complex and are more and more angled towards the owner driver, is single crew ops a good idea?
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I think a 150 driver's wet dream will look more like this :-)
http://skylane.cessna.com/avionics.chtml
http://skylane.cessna.com/avionics.chtml
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Yes the A 30 was closed for a couple of hours- if the plane had gone off the runway end to the right istead of left it would have been more than 'some disruption' thats for sure. As is aid in earlier post it was lucky day as far as what could have been
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Daifly:
Single crew on these sorts of jets IMHO isn't a good idea. Think of a dirty wet night out of eg Stansted, vectors, then directs, numerous altitude/FL changes, plus many frequency changes is a busy enough task in a two-crew jet. Especially if you're sent to a point not on your flight plan (which happens), try to find that when you probably miss-heard it anyway. At least one pilot can do the flying whilst the other looks it up, into the FMS, chats on radio etc.
Have flown single in busy airspace and think it's a recipe for problems. Even if not for yourself, then as a knock on effect to ATC and other a/c
My thoughts.
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Single crew on these sorts of jets IMHO isn't a good idea. Think of a dirty wet night out of eg Stansted, vectors, then directs, numerous altitude/FL changes, plus many frequency changes is a busy enough task in a two-crew jet. Especially if you're sent to a point not on your flight plan (which happens), try to find that when you probably miss-heard it anyway. At least one pilot can do the flying whilst the other looks it up, into the FMS, chats on radio etc.
Have flown single in busy airspace and think it's a recipe for problems. Even if not for yourself, then as a knock on effect to ATC and other a/c
My thoughts.
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Could it be that it is cleared single crew only in VFR/VMC,as a number of small bizjets are ?
After all it appears to have been just a positioning flight - - and maybe even for CFD maintenance ??
Just an idea, before pointing fingers.
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Could it be that it is cleared single crew only in VFR/VMC,as a number of small bizjets are ?
After all it appears to have been just a positioning flight - - and maybe even for CFD maintenance ??
Just an idea, before pointing fingers.
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Correst SRS what?
Under FAA it is IFR single crew.
see link below for report
3rd time an overrun has happended on this type !! Pilot apparently dropped pax at Farnborough due to a 'serious tech problem' before repositioning to Blackbushe.
http://www.ainonline.com/weeklynews/...ws.html#story2
Under FAA it is IFR single crew.
see link below for report
3rd time an overrun has happended on this type !! Pilot apparently dropped pax at Farnborough due to a 'serious tech problem' before repositioning to Blackbushe.
http://www.ainonline.com/weeklynews/...ws.html#story2
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I'd agree with what TD&H said regarding single crew Ops.
This flight had dropped the passengers in Farnborough because they had a failure on the anti-skid braking system. They were checked over then positioned to Blackbushe for corrective maintenance.
The thought of a high performance twin, let alone jet, routing Farnborough to Blackbushe (what, 2 minutes flying?) in addition to the frequency change, configuration change and the thought of landing with the Anti-Skid inop isn't one that many of us would relish...
I'm annoying myself now though, as I always say that we shouldn't make judgements on these things until the AAIB have had their go.
(And yes, it stopped just short of the fuel farm at Blackbushe. Thank God...)
This flight had dropped the passengers in Farnborough because they had a failure on the anti-skid braking system. They were checked over then positioned to Blackbushe for corrective maintenance.
The thought of a high performance twin, let alone jet, routing Farnborough to Blackbushe (what, 2 minutes flying?) in addition to the frequency change, configuration change and the thought of landing with the Anti-Skid inop isn't one that many of us would relish...
I'm annoying myself now though, as I always say that we shouldn't make judgements on these things until the AAIB have had their go.
(And yes, it stopped just short of the fuel farm at Blackbushe. Thank God...)
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Blackbushe is a fun place in a small, or even mediam jet. In a 125 one day...and the fire service almost pushed the nose back from over the fence.
Single or two crew.....the jet aircraft in our future are becoming smaller, cheeper, and before long these will be the 172, or 182 of the past. ALL will be single crew.
Have operated Citations 1 and 2 single and two crew, IFR.
Yes two crew is much better. The certification sinlge crew is mostly based on a functioning auropilot. BUT the work load, if not 101% on the ball is excessive, even for a great guy like I is.
And to follow up the last post....with NO anti skid and a short runway, and so close, I would have asked very nicely to engineers to get their tool kit to me....as it happens slightly less expensive too.
rant over....and out.
Single or two crew.....the jet aircraft in our future are becoming smaller, cheeper, and before long these will be the 172, or 182 of the past. ALL will be single crew.
Have operated Citations 1 and 2 single and two crew, IFR.
Yes two crew is much better. The certification sinlge crew is mostly based on a functioning auropilot. BUT the work load, if not 101% on the ball is excessive, even for a great guy like I is.
And to follow up the last post....with NO anti skid and a short runway, and so close, I would have asked very nicely to engineers to get their tool kit to me....as it happens slightly less expensive too.
rant over....and out.
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I was not pointing fingers in this case. I, like you, do not have the full details.
My comments were a response to Daifly's question, not to this incident. Seems that he and I have similar ideas regarding single/two crew flights. Flown both, prefer two crew for safety etc. Although you can't get that through to some private owners, cause all they see is you, in the cruise, relaxing up front pushing buttons! Wish that it were like that all the time!
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I was not pointing fingers in this case. I, like you, do not have the full details.
My comments were a response to Daifly's question, not to this incident. Seems that he and I have similar ideas regarding single/two crew flights. Flown both, prefer two crew for safety etc. Although you can't get that through to some private owners, cause all they see is you, in the cruise, relaxing up front pushing buttons! Wish that it were like that all the time!
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