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ericferret 19th Dec 2023 22:45


Originally Posted by AnotherFSO (Post 11559162)
There must be lots of combat aircraft types over the years that didn't ever get to see action. Of them, which are your favourites?

I'm discounting here the myriad aircraft types that might be considered experimental, odd, lacklustre, humdrum or uninspiring, or were solely involved in non-combat duties (training etc). I'm really looking for examples of mainstream, frontline historic combat aircraft. I'm also discounting types in current air force inventories, on the basis that they might still see combat one day.

So which are your favourites? I had hoped to nominate the English Electric Lightning, but a bit of research shows they were apparently used in a ground-attack role in Saudi Arabia in 1969.

Martinsyde Buzzard


DuncanDoenitz 19th Dec 2023 23:17


Originally Posted by Quemerford (Post 11559519)
B-47. That really is a strange one, given the numbers and longevity.

If we include reconnaisance varients, and though outside of declared hostiities, RB-47s were intercepted, fired upon by MiG-15/17s and returned fire during flights over the Soviet Union. Several were damaged and some shot-down.

Dr Jekyll 20th Dec 2023 05:44


Originally Posted by oxenos (Post 11559542)
Hardly outstanding. The idea of the laminar wing was that it would improve on the performance of the Spitfire. in fact, the increase in speed was marginal, the critical Mach No. was lower, and it had poor stall characteristics. They then tried to get the R.N.to accept the Seafang. A carrier aircraft with poor stall characteristics was not the best of ideas. The "Jet Spiteful" evolved into the Attacker, with the same wing, but was not in front line service for long.

Off topic here. But were the Attacker's stall characteristics much better than the Seafang?

Quemerford 20th Dec 2023 05:59


Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz (Post 11559570)
If we include reconnaissance variants, and though outside of declared hostilities, RB-47s were intercepted, fired upon by MiG-15/17s and returned fire during flights over the Soviet Union. Several were damaged and some shot-down.

I did consider the RB-47s but was really highlighting that the standard bomber version didn't see combat. It does seem surprising, given that it was in service during Korean conflict and the early days of the Vietnam War. Can't recall if the 'bomber' B-50 saw service either. Possibly not.

Fargo Boyle 20th Dec 2023 11:06


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11559349)
I was thinking Tigercat but I think they did see some action in Korea?

From Wikipedia ;

Marine Corps night fighter squadron VMF(N)-513 flying F7F-3N Tigercats saw action in the early stages of the Korean War, flying night interdiction and fighter missions and shooting down two Polikarpov Po-2 biplanes.[9] This was the only combat use of the aircraft.

DHfan 20th Dec 2023 11:15


Originally Posted by radar101 (Post 11559353)
The Supermarine Swift F1

Only outstanding for being rubbish.

Germaine 20th Dec 2023 15:23

Vampire
 
D.H Vampire anyone? My father was ground crew in these with 16 sqdn in the late 40's. As far as I know it didnt see combat but I may well be wrong...

Quemerford 20th Dec 2023 15:31


Originally Posted by Germaine (Post 11559905)
D.H Vampire anyone? My father was ground crew in these with 16 sqdn in the late 40's. As far as I know it didnt see combat but I may well be wrong...

Egypt/Israeli conflict would be one combat use. Not sure of others.

Dr Jekyll 20th Dec 2023 17:56


Originally Posted by Germaine (Post 11559905)
D.H Vampire anyone? My father was ground crew in these with 16 sqdn in the late 40's. As far as I know it didnt see combat but I may well be wrong...

India used them against Pakistan, but they didn't fare well against F86s.

AlphaMikeTango 20th Dec 2023 19:07


Originally Posted by Germaine (Post 11559905)
D.H Vampire anyone? My father was ground crew in these with 16 sqdn in the late 40's. As far as I know it didnt see combat but I may well be wrong...

The Rhodesian Air Force were using surviving RhAF and ex SAAF single-seat and dual-seat Vampires in internal ground attack operations right until 1980.

galaxy flyer 20th Dec 2023 21:01


Originally Posted by Quemerford (Post 11559650)
I did consider the RB-47s but was really highlighting that the standard bomber version didn't see combat. It does seem surprising, given that it was in service during Korean conflict and the early days of the Vietnam War. Can't recall if the 'bomber' B-50 saw service either. Possibly not.

If the B-47 had seen combat, none of us would be here

oxenos 20th Dec 2023 21:21


But were the Attacker's stall characteristics much better than the Seafang?
Difficult to find out but they were only in service for a short time. The R.N. hedged their bets by ordereing a number of Sea Vampires to get experience of operating jets from carriers.

Quemerford 20th Dec 2023 21:27


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 11560055)
If the B-47 had seen combat, none of us would be here

You could say the same about the B-52.

treadigraph 21st Dec 2023 04:32

RAF Vampires saw action during the Malayan Emergency and Mau Mau uprising, presumably ground attack.

Dr Jekyll 21st Dec 2023 06:25


Originally Posted by Quemerford (Post 11560069)
You could say the same about the B-52.

The B-52 has seen plenty of combat and will probably see more before it's retired.

Quemerford 21st Dec 2023 06:28


Originally Posted by Dr Jekyll (Post 11560202)
The B-52 has seen plenty of combat and will probably see more before it's retired.

The point wasn't about the B-52: it was that "if the B-47 had been used, none of us would be here". The B-52 WAS used but here we are. OK?

TCU 21st Dec 2023 10:55

Referencing the word "outstanding", in the OP's text, the SAAB J37 Viggen probably deserves a shout

CoodaShooda 21st Dec 2023 21:16

The CAC “Avon” Sabre and the Mirage III O would fit the bill, I think.

DuncanDoenitz 21st Dec 2023 21:45

I'll see your IIIO, and raise you IV.

megan 22nd Dec 2023 00:55

The CAC Sabre misses the mark Cooda, From 1958 to 1960, CAC Sabres of No. 78 Wing RAAF (78 Wing), comprising 3 Sqn and 77 Sqn, undertook several ground attack sorties against communist insurgents in the Federation of Malaya, during the Malayan Emergency.


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