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Jhieminga 22nd Jun 2023 09:09

Lockheed VC-121A 'Bataan' back in the air
 
This is worth watching if you're a propliner fan:

ancientaviator62 22nd Jun 2023 09:47

Wonderful sight and sound.I take off every hat I have ever worn to all those involved. Bonus of a Mustang chase plane too.

treadigraph 22nd Jun 2023 10:23

Bloody marvellous! I believe this is another fantastic achievement by Steve Hinton and his Fighter Rebuilders team at Chino.

Now Rod, howsabout bringing her over to Europe for a tour next year...

Jhieminga 22nd Jun 2023 10:45

Steve showed Kermit Weeks around the aircraft a couple of months back. Video from that visit is here:

EGGW 22nd Jun 2023 11:42

When it escaped Fort Rucker, early 90s.


EGGW

ZFT 22nd Jun 2023 13:16

As a young boy I lived very close to RAF Northolt. Have brilliant memories of US and IAF Constellations flying in and out regularly.
This brings back those memories .

India Four Two 22nd Jun 2023 14:32

That is really nice to see. When I was visiting the Planes of Fame Museum at Valle Arizona in 2015, they were getting it ready to ferry to Chino and I was lucky enough to be there when they were mounting an engine,

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8f08c541.jpeg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....49772f601.jpeg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....38249b8e6.jpeg

It took them about twenty minutes to get it bolted on. Not a hard-hat, safety glasses, steel-toed boot or fluorescent jacket in sight!

Jhieminga 29th Jun 2023 10:38

More video from the first flight here:

India Four Two 29th Jun 2023 16:05

Fantastic video. It looks like they must have had a polishing crew working continuously since I saw it in 2015! :)

Octane 30th Jun 2023 05:36

A nice video ruined by stupid unwanted music:ugh:

SpringHeeledJack 30th Jun 2023 06:52

Great to see it up in the air again, good looking aircraft that's for sure. I think the "canned heroic" background music was added to appeal to the 'interested/supportive', rather than the die-hard propholics who would be happy just with the sounds and conversations of the aircraft and crew.

Is the Breitling Connie still in Europe and still flying ?

DHfan 30th Jun 2023 08:21

According to a post on WIX, the Breitling Connie was grounded with wing problems in 2018 and is currently dismantled with Meir Motors at Bremgarten. The current owners are looking for a buyer.

treadigraph 30th Jun 2023 09:16


Originally Posted by DHfan (Post 11459252)
According to a post on WIX, the Breitling Connie was grounded with wing problems in 2018 and is currently dismantled with Meir Motors at Bremgarten. The current owners are looking for a buyer.

(Shhhh! Don't tell anyone but that was me! According to what I'd seen courtesy Google :))

Think the spar needs some serious fettling...

Less Hair 30th Jun 2023 09:20

It is said to suffer from bad wing corrosion. Plus, Switzerland after the Ju crash has limited the max number of persons permitted aboard historic aircraft to six (?) or similar, which makes any operational breakeven unfeasible.

treadigraph 30th Jun 2023 09:27

I believe it is now owned by a German consortium but they are unable to fund the restoration. Sadly I suspect it will end up in a museum, great pity. Love to fly in one...

brakedwell 30th Jun 2023 10:35

I took these two photos at Lajes Field in the Azores in January 1958. The MATS Constellations were one of the main visitors at that time.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a5b5c92b0.jpeg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3e6dafc8e.jpeg


Less Hair 30th Jun 2023 10:58

What a quiet rural place it was back then? Thanks for the pictures.

sycamore 30th Jun 2023 11:15

In the `Airframe Workshops` at Halton there used to be an early `Sycamore` helo,in natural metal;if one was found to have `been skiving`/messing about,etc one was sent to spend a little `time-out ` on the `naughty step`,in this case half an hour with a roll of `Wadpol`.?,polishing the helo until it shone..It probably weighed a lot less as the `skin `got thinner,so I have a lot of sympathy for the guys/gals who polished that Connie,,!

VictorGolf 30th Jun 2023 11:23

Is the HARS Super=Connie still airworthy in Oz?

SpringHeeledJack 30th Jun 2023 12:19

...or that other Connie that was owned by Lufthansa, but was in the USA when I last thought of it ? What a shame about the Breitling connie, but it can't be easy to own and run such a beast.

Less Hair 30th Jun 2023 12:23

LH's Connie is stored and will not be flying any more. They halted the work halfway through it after seriously busting their budget.

washoutt 30th Jun 2023 12:45

I always love it when a landing propliner needs to dive in order to reach terra firma.

bean 30th Jun 2023 12:50


Originally Posted by VictorGolf (Post 11459359)
Is the HARS Super=Connie still airworthy in Oz?

Yes it is

BEagle 30th Jun 2023 16:11

Back in 2017 I was on a trip to Ljubljana from Birmingham via Zurich. The second flight was delayed...and delayed....until finally it was announced that we would be flying on a different airline. A bus came to pick us up and we drove to a remote part of the airport....and there was the Breitling Connie. Ooh, what a nice surprise!

Sadly that wasn't our aircraft though - we boarded some ageing ATR which then droned its way to our destination.

ZFT 30th Jun 2023 18:50

There was a Connie outside of Zest facility at Manila Airport a few years ago. Had a good look around it and seem to recall the odd bullet hole.

treadigraph 30th Jun 2023 19:13


Originally Posted by ZFT (Post 11459603)
There was a Connie outside of Zest facility at Manila Airport a few years ago. Had a good look around it and seem to recall the odd bullet hole.

Think that's gone to Australia now - Qantas Museum?

DHfan 30th Jun 2023 20:54

There was a Connie at Kirkop just outside Luqa Airport on Malta many years ago.
If I remember rightly it had been impounded for gun-running and then bought by a couple of local businessmen who towed it off the airport and turned it into a restaurant.
We dined there in September 1988 but when we tried to return a few days later it had closed.

Some years later it was vandalised and set on fire. Only the wings survived and last I heard were at Ta' Qali. One of the partners had told us he was planning to tow the complete aircraft to Ta' Qali which sounded totally impossible.

SpringHeeledJack 30th Jun 2023 21:10

What ever became of that Connie N7777G that seemed to be based in the UK/IRL for some years ?

Fris B. Fairing 30th Jun 2023 21:35


Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack (Post 11459642)
What ever became of that Connie N7777G that seemed to be based in the UK/IRL for some years ?

N7777G is in the Science Museum at Wroughton displayed in TWA colours, why I'll never know. The Manila Super Connie is now at the Qantas Founders Museum at Longreach.

N7777G The Stones' Connie
The Manila Connie

DHfan 30th Jun 2023 22:11

I'm not sure you can use the words Wroughton and displayed in the same sentence.

We went to an airshow there in 1990-ish and saw the exhibits in the main hangar including the Connie. It didn't register what the markings were and not having much interest in airliners it wouldn't have meant anything anyway. The hangar was brightly lit and looked immaculate as did the "exhibits".
I believe that's the hangar that's reputedly dangerous and structurally unsound.

Coochycool 30th Jun 2023 22:51

Can't be sure if it was the same one, but summer 1993 I stumbled across a similarly abandoned Connie in Malta. Fraid the precise location escapes me, but it had certainly been used as a restaurant/diner.

Managed to get inside her, which was I recall a little rough. Looking for souvenirs I found quite a few Maltese coins scattered around the floor!

Cooch

EXDAC 30th Jun 2023 23:18

This Connie nostalgia reminded me of a flight back in October 1992. It took a while to find it in my logs. The Tucson Soaring Club (Arizona) had displayed a Janus glider at an airshow at nearby Pinal. It was my job to fly it home and departure was very close to sunset. The MATS Connie was leaving at the same time and graciously allowed our glider and tug to depart first. Never forget it holding short with all 4 running while we took the runway.

Lockheed Constellation Survivors

DHfan 1st Jul 2023 00:35


Originally Posted by Coochycool (Post 11459675)
Can't be sure if it was the same one, but summer 1993 I stumbled across a similarly abandoned Connie in Malta. Fraid the precise location escapes me, but it had certainly been used as a restaurant/diner.

Managed to get inside her, which was I recall a little rough. Looking for souvenirs I found quite a few Maltese coins scattered around the floor!

Cooch

It seems unlikely that there were two abandoned ex-restaurant Connies in Malta.

From Exdac's link
Lockheed Constellation Survivors

Not permanently closed in April 1988 but our visit could well have been one of the last only 5 or 6 months later.

Mine host, "George", who said he was one of the owners switched on the cockpit lights and suggested starting an engine. There was a whirring noise from one of the nacelles and consternation from my lady, now wife.

2port 4th Jul 2023 10:43

There were a couple rotting away in Sao Tome 20 - 25 years ago

DaveReidUK 4th Jul 2023 12:40


Originally Posted by DHfan (Post 11459662)
I'm not sure you can use the words Wroughton and displayed in the same sentence.

We went to an airshow there in 1990-ish and saw the exhibits in the main hangar including the Connie. It didn't register what the markings were and not having much interest in airliners it wouldn't have meant anything anyway. The hangar was brightly lit and looked immaculate as did the "exhibits".
I believe that's the hangar that's reputedly dangerous and structurally unsound.

I'm pretty sure it's the adjacent hangar (the one with the Comet and Trident) that's out-of-bounds due to its condition, rather than the one with the Connie.

treadigraph 4th Jul 2023 19:55


Originally Posted by 2port (Post 11461665)
There were a couple rotting away in Sao Tome 20 - 25 years ago

Still there...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@0.373...l=en&entry=ttu

ATNotts 4th Jul 2023 21:14


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11461957)

Crikey they are well camouflaged! I eventually saw one (the restaurant) still can't see the other.

treadigraph 4th Jul 2023 22:30

They are practically holding hands! :)

ATNotts 5th Jul 2023 06:11

Got it!

EXDAC 5th Jul 2023 15:19


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11462031)
They are practically holding hands! :)

Best picture of them seems to be GE image from 12/2002 before they were hidden by the restaurant structures.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6cec917a8e.png


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