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boguing 4th Feb 2021 19:38

Aircraft with unusual landing gear configurations
 
I have an offspring working on his final year aero eng project and need a little help.

I dimly recall there being an aircraft that more-or-less had a wheel at each corner of it's boxy fuselage. Think shopping trolley or, heaven forfend, a helicopter...

I know why it's not a great idea, but I'd like to look at the history of any type that did try it to see what handling problems it had in reality.

Couldn't think of a better place to ask!

treadigraph 4th Feb 2021 20:58

Lockspeiser LDA-01? It had a more conventional nosewheel in a later guise...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ecd938178a.jpg

boguing 4th Feb 2021 21:04

Brilliant - it's not the one I'm thinking of but it gives me something to go on. Many thanks.

treadigraph 4th Feb 2021 21:08

Hmmm, there was a light aircraft... high wing... tractor engine... (no, I'm not thinking of anything with Wipline floats!)

Various car-planes over the years...

treadigraph 4th Feb 2021 21:16

Fairchild XC-120 was another four wheeler...

DaveReidUK 4th Feb 2021 21:29

Sikorsky S-55/H-19
Westland Wasp
Lockheed XFV
Flying Bedstead :O

slacktide 4th Feb 2021 21:37

Not the one you are looking for, but I present the SNECMA Coléoptère.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....129dca4f02.jpg



Self loading bear 4th Feb 2021 22:07

Kalinin-7

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d3806efc2.jpeg

And the M-323

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....69c29c36b.jpeg

And of course the “Roc” Stratolaunch

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....16476444b.jpeg
(The plane on the left of the picture)

boguing 4th Feb 2021 22:33


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 10983703)
Fairchild XC-120 was another four wheeler...

I think that's it! That or the 115 Boxcar which your link led me to.

Childhood memory playing tricks and remembering the full hull depth running further back (and so back wheels even further back), and seeing the pod on its wheels whilst ignoring the main gear.

I think my quest is over - nobody made a non-canard with the main gear split substantially fore and aft - except the B-52, which needs the high angle of incidence to get off the ground (and nose-down in flight attitude).

Thanks all.


stilton 4th Feb 2021 23:37

CH47 is basically a box with wheels at each corner

mustbeaboeing 4th Feb 2021 23:52

One of these ?


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7d15c110e.jpeg

jonkster 5th Feb 2021 00:47

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fc5cbb7bb6.jpg

NutLoose 5th Feb 2021 00:50

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/octobe...ying-bedstead/


NutLoose 5th Feb 2021 00:53

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-lo...ip%3d0%26pl%3d

Fargo Boyle 5th Feb 2021 01:02

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...or_landing.jpg

Noyade 5th Feb 2021 02:48


Originally Posted by boguing (Post 10983650)
I dimly recall there being an aircraft that more-or-less had a wheel at each corner of it's boxy fuselage.

O'Neil Model J Magnum.

Magnum Pickup


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8296595ac7.jpg



treadigraph 5th Feb 2021 05:54

I think the Magnum Pickup may be the aircraft I'm thinking of in Post 4 though that's not the pic I recall, the gear config looks right! Probably a photo from Oshkosh in one of the mags.

BEagle 5th Feb 2021 08:42

Of course there was the rather hideous East German airliner, the Baade 152:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c6c764528d.jpg

Less Hair 5th Feb 2021 09:17

Dornier had something special for the Do 27 on mud and soft grounds:
https://images.app.goo.gl/VqzjhtnCTuhnt4v7A

treadigraph 5th Feb 2021 09:40


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10983978)
Of course there was the rather hideous East German airliner, the Baade 152:

If I have nightmares tonight, you know who I'm going to blame...

pax britanica 5th Feb 2021 09:56

And there's me thinking that the Trident (weird but logical) offset nosewheel qualifies -not even close

DHfan 5th Feb 2021 10:10

I'm glad it wasn't only me getting ready to suggest that.

old,not bold 5th Feb 2021 10:17

And there was the Vickers Windsor......

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....57c2c9b063.jpg

DuncanDoenitz 5th Feb 2021 10:29

Enough with the ugly aeroplanes already. My eyes are bleeding.

DHfan 5th Feb 2021 10:32

I always thought the Windsor was a dumb idea but it's only dawned on me, literally in the last few months, that with a geodetic wing it wasn't so dumb after all.

Less Hair 5th Feb 2021 10:33

Here is one more:http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/piloten/ar232.htm

Cornish Jack 5th Feb 2021 11:08

No piccy, but I seem to recall a Percival high wing s/e intended for freight and agricultural work ?

ex82watcher 5th Feb 2021 11:20

CJ, I think you are referring to the Percival Protector ?

DHfan 5th Feb 2021 11:21

Could be the Edgar Percival (as opposed to just Percival) Ep.9 which was an odd looking thing but with a relatively normal undercarriage, given its design.

treadigraph 5th Feb 2021 11:27

Ah yes, the Prospector (remember seeing one at Oshkosh) - which reminds me of the Auster Shopping Trolley - the B.4:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....00b741b77.jpeg

Peter47 5th Feb 2021 11:40

Possibly off-topic (not really configuration), but I wonder if there were any issues with the Tridents off-centre nose wheel. I've never heard about there being any problems but it sure looked odd.

Less Hair 5th Feb 2021 11:45

https://i.stack.imgur.com/XZEYN.jpg

The Il-62 tailwheel. Used on the ground to prevent tipping.

And my all time favorite the Sea Dart:


DaveReidUK 5th Feb 2021 12:02


Originally Posted by Peter47 (Post 10984144)
Possibly off-topic (not really configuration), but I wonder if there were any issues with the Tridents off-centre nose wheel. I've never heard about there being any problems but it sure looked odd.

Yes, the offset weight of the wheels when stowed caused the aircraft to fly right wing low.

DHfan 5th Feb 2021 12:05


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 10984135)
Ah yes, the Prospector (remember seeing one at Oshkosh) - which reminds me of the Auster Shopping Trolley - the B.4:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....00b741b77.jpeg

That's certainly odd but the picture I found was a bit less odd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Percival-N747JC.JPG

treadigraph 5th Feb 2021 12:23

Ah yes, N747JC was the EP9 I saw at KOSH! I remember another one at Biggin in the late 80s - involved in a nasty fatal crash shortly afterwards at Lydd - parachutists aboard as I recall.

ex82watcher 5th Feb 2021 12:36


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10984156)
Yes, the offset weight of the wheels when stowed caused the aircraft to fly right wing low.

Ah,so that explains why they frequently used to stray from centre line when going up and down UA37 ,and often needed a 'little help'

treadigraph 5th Feb 2021 12:37

Is that why CAAC bought them?

Jhieminga 5th Feb 2021 13:03


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 10984005)
Dornier had something special for the Do 27 on mud and soft grounds:
https://images.app.goo.gl/VqzjhtnCTuhnt4v7A

Check out the B-36 version of that:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0ef66cf52e.jpg

treadigraph 5th Feb 2021 13:06

Did they develop that after the Boscombe Down out-landing? :}

Jhieminga 5th Feb 2021 13:14

:ok:
As far as I know it was tested on the prototype, so the answer is: probably not. It would certainly have been a better option on that particular occasion... :cool:


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