Posts about the AH&N 24 hour rule
 

Much the same as a few years ago: whilst this is entertaining to those involved your spotters threads are turning into a parlour game with only a few participants.

Up to all of you to share with other PPRuNers or face the chop. I expect to see at least 24 hours between new entries to give those outside the UK the chance to feel part of this forum; the same applies to the other two spotters threads.

24 hours has almost passed. I'm ready to pull the trigger! ;)

Pull it then.

Three minutes to lift off. Got to stick to the new rules.

What new rules are they then ?

dook, see this post:

https://www.pprune.org/aviation-hist...l#post10612688

There are psycho, anally competitive players who will be doing a Lightning Mate and leaving this site with no warnings at all.

24 hours before formal answer or you are gone.

Rob

Rob,

Can you clarify please? Are you saying that no regulars should reply within 24 hours?

Reply all you like - just no one confirms as correct or otherwise for 24 hours.

Rob

I do feel rather disappointed by Senior Pilot's comments that "whilst this is entertaining to those involved your spotters threads are turning into a parlour game with only a few participants." and I find the terms used (emboldened by me) to be quite offensive!

The subject aircraft are not the type found in airport Spotters Recognition Books and considerable historical and technical research is required, both to select them for a challenge and for the viewing PPRuNers to try and identify! It is quite a difficult quiz, not a frivolous parlour game!! It is true that there are few participants, but this is the nature of this level of quiz, but challenges or Open Houses are often left up for the "night-shift", so we are far from excluding non-UK PPRuNers. Also, I must point out that there are many, many viewers, who do enjoy following these quizzes from comments that I've heard and I'm sure a lot of these are outside of the UK.

Well, it has been over 25 hours since I declared OH "to give those outside the UK the chance to feel part of this forum" as INSTRUCTED by Senior Pilot above! I'm not sure why he feels we are not giving PPRuNers worldwide a chance to participate!

This is a relatively new thread and in only 14 pages to date, it has had contributions from the USA, Canada and the Netherlands. There is a similar if not larger ratio of non-UK posts on the other two of these quiz threads, so just what is the problem?

I cannot see that any house rules have been broken (apart from after re-reading those rules, that I may have broken one of them by posting links to a relevant picture on a popular aircraft site rather than wasting bandwidth/storage space here by uploading said images). The only objection seems to be the perceived hogging of the threads by a few participants, but there is and always has been plenty of opportunity for others to join in and they are never met with hostility and are always made welcome!

So what effect has Senior Pilot's intervention had? There has been no flood of overseas contributions to this or the other two threads, in fact a complete absence of any posts at all from anywhere on any of the three Quiz threads!! However, from the "View" figures, over 600 interested, probably disappointed PPRuNers have come and looked at these apparently stalled threads.

I do not feel inclined to take up my own Open House at this time, but will leave it OH, so that others may avail themselves for a further period!

What would be really nice, is that some of the many viewers or would be contestants would leave their (respectable) views on the situation regarding the interest and value they see in these threads so a reasonable and impartial judgement can be arrived at!

Thank you for your time, TC

SincoTC ; you may have missed the point. The threads have become almost (I stress almost) a closed shop for the UK contributors such that overseas members have been notably absent for some time. If you really think that this situation will be reversed within a couple of days then you overestimate the attraction to those who have ‘left the tent’: it will be some time, maybe weeks, before the desire to participate again returns.

Just relax and allow others to return and become an active part of the AH&N community :ok:

I am confused.

"Reply all you like - just no one confirms as correct or otherwise for 24 hours".

That means 0204 tomorrow.

Am I unable to read English ?

dook,

I'm going out on a limb - it seems pointless to wait 24 hours, when my challenge has been correctly identified and can be confirmed by a quick search.

I agree with you.

Is it too early to post my answer ?

Obviously I should have posted that whilst I could.

A quick hello from Torquay, Victoria, Australia where I now live.

I've been following this and the other two "parlour game" threads for the past few months or more. I haven't the time or depth of knowledge to be an active contributor, but I'd like to say that I find all three threads entertaining, and now and then they throw up some interesting surprises. So, my thanks to the regular contributors, and to any and all others who may choose to chip in.

I'm not a professional pilot, but this is one of the fora to which I'm invited. I'm also at UTC +12.

I enjoy the identification competitions, almost exclusively as a spectator sport though I did once win as the first to i/d a Breguet Deux Ponts--by the standards of recent competitions a thoroughly common and indeed banal aircraft. What stops me participating is first a lack of knowledge, and second the fact that the challenges are solved so quickly, so much so that it's not the time zone difference that counts, but how many hours in the day one spends watching the thread. I observe there's a relatively small list of regular players, but this is not really a problem for me as I'm interested in the aircraft, not the participants (sorry folks, I'm sure you're all fascinating IRL).

If anyone felt there was a problem, though, I suppose there could be a rule that no entries were accepted until a certain length of time had elapsed since posting: but I don't know how you'd enforce that, and I'm not proposing it, just mentioning it as a possibility if people feel there is a problem.

Feel free - the regulars are all waiting for the 24/48 hour limit or whatever it is to pass by

"Why 4 hours;has there been a rule change?"

The mods don't want a small group of people to monopolise the forum so there is a 24 hour rule of some sort see post # 17691 and before about 2 weeks ago.

"Reply all you like - just no one confirms as correct or otherwise for 24 hours. Rob (PPRuNe Towers Dep Chief PPRuNe Pilot)"

does the 24 hour rule still apply?

"Reply all you like - just no one confirms as correct or otherwise for 24 hours. Rob (PPRuNe Towers Dep Chief PPRuNe Pilot)"

Posts about 24 hour rule
 

Not saying that this is right or wrong but haven't we got this 24hr thing the wrong way round? What is the point of waiting 24hrs to confirm when the same person will 'win' anyway?
Surely it would be better to have a 24hr limit on 'regulars' after an open house declaration to give newbies/others a chance to post something.

I'll be back in 23hrs 45 mins to declare the winner.

I agree that makes more sense - maybe a 24 hour wait for anyone who has "won" in the last 7 days?

if others agree we could approach the Mods - carefully..................

This business of ‘I know the answer but I’m not going to say’ is utterly ruining this thread. It’s why I deleted my posts and left. (Along with the indecipherable and unenforced 24-hour mystery rule).

(By the way, obviously I know the answer, but I’m not going to say it).

I find few things as offputting as the ‘regulars’ posting along the lines of, ‘I know what it is but I won’t say’. It makes the whole episode seem pointless. Either it’s a race to a correct answer of there is no race at all.

A proper set of instructions from the moderators - which doesn’t need so much interpretation - would be helpful.

Hello SLB, good points.

"I find few things as off putting as the ‘regulars’ posting along the lines of, ‘I know what it is but I won’t say’. It makes the whole episode seem pointless."

Agreed - tho I may be guilty some times - as with Bear's post if you know but want to give someone else a chance just don't post at all until the 24 hours are up.

These threads are under constant mod surveillance and I for one don't want to lose them. They are a haven of decency on a site that is increasing fractious elsewhere. People have been zeroed because he/she just couldn't stay away from the keyboard and was posting non-stop - all great stuff but the effect was to exclude passersby.

If you post a challenge then you have to check it regularly to be able to answer - otherwise taking a few days off isn't a bad idea..............

This challenge has now been up for just over twenty four hours.

Is it acceptable to now post a guess ?

yes I think you're in the clear now..............................

I am no longer sure of these new rules so I shall not.

My answer is no longer a guess but a certainty.

No its now over 24 hours and no-one else has posted a possible answer so you are clear to post - and if you are correct you can post a new immediately as you've won fair & square

If you were setting up a challenge to someone else declaring OH then you as a regular should wait - at least that's my understanding of how we're currently playing the game................

My goodness, I really don't want a blow by blow set of rules, but the 24 hour one shouldn't need explaining too many times.

Quite simply, you can post and discuss to your heart's content from the moment a challenge appears, but the declaration of a winner will not occur until 24 hours has elapsed from the challenge post. This applies to all three competition threads: a reference Wiki also covers the airfield thread.

I would emphasise that all threads should respect that this is the Aviation History & Nostalgia forum with an expectation of historic images and/or subjects please.

Clear as mud? :D

Clear Boss................

Ere! I read the new 24hr rules several times before I thought I finally understood it - and after I'd already posted answering this correctly earlier this afternoon, and then guiltily deleted the post to await 24hrs.

Only to find the 'winner' has jumped the starting gun by 10 minutes!

Not much of a rule, this, is it?

Hrrmpf.

;)

Anyway, what article in Flight Global?
Please don't post bait like that without a link or further explanation...

meleagertoo this really should not be a problem: I posted this as an explanation last week, maybe you can let me know what is confusing you? I have put the comment about posting in bold, should you have missed it the first time.

Am I being dense?
you can post and discuss to your heart's content from the moment a challenge appears, but the declaration of a winner will not occur until 24 hours has elapsed from the challenge post.

From explanations elsewhere I understood this to be a ban on answering the challenge for 24hrs after posting to give other time zones a chance.

Are you saying that I can identify the answer before then? If so how/why does it need 24 hrs before declaring a winner? The winner is surely the first to reply correctly. How does a 24 hr moritorium help anyone?

Snr Pilot says:-

Quite simply, you can post and discuss to your heart's content from the moment a challenge appears, but the declaration of a winner will not occur until 24 hours has elapsed from the challenge post.

So it's the declaration of the winner that drives the 24 hours -

I think it would be a lot easier if we were all restricted to 1 post a day - either answer or challenge - on any specific challenge TBH - that way us obsessives couldn't dominate the thread and newbies would and the far-flung would also get a fair chance - but what do I know?