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treadigraph 8th Aug 2020 08:40

I've certainly seen pictures of it before - probably at Oshkosh in the '70s - but no idea what it is...

fauteuil volant 8th Aug 2020 08:46

You may have seen pictures of it before, treadigraph, but certainly not at Oshkosh. I don't think that, during its very short life, it ever flew outside its country of origin (which is a long way from Wisconsin).

treadigraph 8th Aug 2020 09:31

Hmmm. French?

fauteuil volant 8th Aug 2020 09:43

Bien sûr, monsieur T!

fauteuil volant 8th Aug 2020 17:13

This aeroplane survived less than a month between its first flight and the crash which saw its demise and that of its designer/builder.

kcockayne 8th Aug 2020 21:45

I have no idea as to what it is, but there seems to be a look of Piaggio about the windscreen.

fauteuil volant 9th Aug 2020 07:49

As it seems that few are willing to take a stab at this one and thus it isn't going to be identified in the short term, it's time to reveal and move on. It's the Barbaro RB.70 F-PTEL which first flew at Pau on 30 June 1972 and crashed, killing its designer/constructor René Barbaro and two others, at Montargis on 29 July 1972. Open house, please.

cavuman1 9th Aug 2020 19:08

Easy one:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d98371bef4.jpg

I'm out of breath....

- Ed

Hint: My uncle was the President and CEO of B.F. Goodrich. In his spacious office, behind his large carved desk, was a 4'x6' portrait of a nearly clear cerulean sky populated with puffy cumuli. The brass nameplate proclaimed it to be "The Goodrich Blimp"!

Jhieminga 10th Aug 2020 08:10

The Goodyear Inflatoplane! OH if correct.

treadigraph 10th Aug 2020 08:33


Originally Posted by fauteuil volant (Post 10856522)
As it seems that few are willing to take a stab at this one and thus it isn't going to be identified in the short term, it's time to reveal and move on. It's the Barbaro RB.70 F-PTEL which first flew at Pau on 30 June 1972 and crashed, killing its designer/constructor René Barbaro and two others, at Montargis on 29 July 1972. Open house, please.

Given it's brief history and all before I started taking a bigger interest in things beyond Cessnas, Pipers and airliners, weird that I recall the type so well. Wonder where I saw the pic?

Self loading bear 12th Aug 2020 15:26

Not much takers for the open house?
Lets try this:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0cd52a710.jpeg

fauteuil volant 12th Aug 2020 15:55

No, don't tell me, all those seemingly fixed wings rotate! :hmm:

treadigraph 12th Aug 2020 16:48

The Flying Flicknife...

fauteuil volant 12th Aug 2020 17:14

Swiss Army version?

By_Tor 12th Aug 2020 17:20

Aeronix Airelle?

Self loading bear 12th Aug 2020 18:33


Originally Posted by fauteuil volant (Post 10859280)
Swiss Army version?

Those are red.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5fe3e86f9.jpeg

Jhieminga 12th Aug 2020 18:58

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronix_Airelle

Self loading bear 12th Aug 2020 20:55

Jelle that is correct.
But do yoo know the other name for this plane as well?
Because if I am informed correctly this is one of the successors.
you can take the lead.

FlightlessParrot 13th Aug 2020 02:10

What would be the efficiency of the pusher prop in that bizarre machine? It looks like the air it's working in would be very dirty indeed.

Edited to add: I've just realised that it's channelling the Pou-du-Ciel, though they say the modern stuff is much stronger than when I last inhaled.

Jhieminga 13th Aug 2020 07:49

I see that By_Tor beat me to it, his post was delayed as he’s new here. I’ll let him come up with a challenge first. I’ve got one standing by if needed...

No idea about the other name I’m afraid.

Self loading bear 13th Aug 2020 10:57

By-Tor
welcome on this thread.
as you have been the first correct replier, you may stage the next challenge
If you have a problem with linking photos I will help you if you send a pm.
If you have no challenge yet please say so then Jelle Hieminga (nr 2 replier) will fill the gap.

the Aironix Airelle lives on as the Eulair Twin2

Jhieminga 13th Aug 2020 15:42


Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot (Post 10859570)
What would be the efficiency of the pusher prop in that bizarre machine? It looks like the air it's working in would be very dirty indeed.

I understand it’s a flapped wing, which is interesting in itself on a canard, but with the flaps down I don’t see that rear prop doing much beyond 30% of what it’s capable of. Just a guess of course. It’s got two small engines, you might well get the same or better performance from a single O-200 if you’d have a good place to mount it.

By_Tor 13th Aug 2020 21:34

I've tried posting a new challenge but I think something went wrong, so better make it an OH.


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Until you have a posting history you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls.

fauteuil volant 14th Aug 2020 16:31

I think, By Tor, that when you have made ten posts then you acquire the right to post attachments here. But until then, rather than refrain from posting your challenge, you could, if you wish, send the image to me and I'll post it for you and refrain from the competition. If that appeals to you, please send me a PM to let me know and I'll reply with my e-mail address so that you can send your image to me as an attachment. Then if you make a point of giving us nine clues in quick succession, you'll be ready to post your next challenge!

Self loading bear 14th Aug 2020 17:08

Fauteuil,

By-tor also has no right to PM yet.
Jelle has something ready and can go ahead.
I hope By-Tor will soon reach 10 posts so he can join in the challenges.

fauteuil volant 14th Aug 2020 17:33

Thank you, SLB. I didn't realise quite how draconian the regime is for newbies. Maybe By Tor should make nine consecutive posts which say no more than:

nine to go
eight to go
seven to go
..... !

Jhieminga 14th Aug 2020 17:53

I'll break the impasse and put this one up. I thought we'd stay in the canard family...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ebacf7e581.jpg
Ask lots of questions By_tor.... I know from another thread that moderators are not that happy about posts purely for the sake of increasing your post count (am I allowed to use the term?).

asw28-866 14th Aug 2020 23:10

Gosh, is it a "Bi-canard", "Cantriplane"? I imagine the aerodynamic interaction between to two Canard aerofoils is interesting?

FlightlessParrot 15th Aug 2020 01:08


Originally Posted by Jhieminga (Post 10861132)
I'll break the impasse and put this one up. I thought we'd stay in the canard family...

Another canard ... from the Netherlands ... ? Canard a l'orange?

fauteuil volant 15th Aug 2020 07:10

Surely judging by the positioning of the two forward winglets it must be a nenadovich biplane canard. And if one assumes that the lower undercarriage struts also are lifting surfaces, well ..... !

treadigraph 15th Aug 2020 07:45


Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot (Post 10861355)
Another canard ... from the Netherlands ... ? Canard a l'orange?

Canard? Yes it is difficult isn't it....:p

Another pic I recognise but can't recollect the type. Sorta reminds me of the Libellula which maybe confoosing me.

Self loading bear 15th Aug 2020 07:45

I think it is a Camping built plane?
At least he forgot to take out his Camping chair!

FlightlessParrot 15th Aug 2020 08:27


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10861478)
I think it is a Camping built plane?
At least he forgot to take out his Camping chair!

The seat is rather like the front seats in the Citroen 2CV. I don't know if that is any sort of a clue.

fauteuil volant 15th Aug 2020 09:27


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 10861477)
Sorta reminds me of the Libellula which maybe confoosing me.

You may have something there, treadigraph, with the Miles connection. It looks as if the forward fuselage of that canard started life as that of a Gemini!

Jhieminga 15th Aug 2020 14:42

Let me start with a disclaimer: I don't know a a lot about this type myself. I can confirm that it is not from The Netherlands though.... I'll leave you to ponder this a bit more.

fauteuil volant 15th Aug 2020 17:32

What it is not is the Ambrosini SS.4 but this is the only tailless canard pusher of which I can think which had biplane (or probably, strictly speaking, nenadovich) forward flying surfaces.

Jhieminga 16th Aug 2020 20:23

You’re right, it is not the Ambrosini SS.4, but you’re in the right country.

fauteuil volant 18th Aug 2020 17:25

Even though we now know that it's Italian, it appears that we're all stumped. Another clue might help to ease the wheels .....

Jhieminga 18th Aug 2020 18:10

The problem is that I am running out of clues.... does it help if I say that it was a one-off? Probably not.... I also found that it was designed in 1944.

Self loading bear 18th Aug 2020 20:17

Bazzocchi EB.4

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....237813f79.jpeg
Strange that it didn’t turn up when searching “Italy canard”
but does pop-up when searching “1944 canard Italy”

some more info on
More info EB.4

Link from the link



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