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XV490 20th Aug 2019 08:59

Max Hastings' Dambusters book
 
The Mail Online has been running a piece to promote Max Hastings' soon to be published book about Operation Chastise. The article, the core of which is, presumably, in Hastings' own words, says 56 crewmen of 617 Sqn died in the raid – whereas three survived, as is well known.

Makes me wonder how many other basic errors will be revealed when we finally see the book itself.

Warmtoast 20th Aug 2019 11:33

As the publisher's blurb states:

Hastings vividly describes the evolution of Wallis’ bomb, and of the squadron which broke the dams. But he also portrays in harrowing detail those swept away by the torrents. He argues that what modern Germans call the Mohnekatastrophe imposed on the Nazi war machine temporary disruption, rather than a crippling blow. Ironically, Air Marshal Sir Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris gained much of the public credit, though he bitterly opposed Chastise as a distraction from his city-burning blitz. Harris also made perhaps the operation’s biggest mistake – failure to launch a conventional attack on the huge post-raid repair operation which could have transformed the impact of the dam breaches on Ruhr industry.

Here once again is a dramatic retake on familiar history by a master of the art. Hastings sets the Dams Raid in the big picture of the bomber offensive and of the Second World War, with moving portraits of the young airmen, so many of whom died; of Barnes Wallis; the monstrous Harris; the tragic Guy Gibson, together with superb narrative of the action of one of the most extraordinary episodes in British history
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As the owner of four of Hastings' earlier books: "Bomber Command", "Armageddon", "All Hell Let Loose" and "Catastrophe", "Operation Chastise" is on my shopping list for what will almost certainly be a good read.

XV490 20th Aug 2019 12:35

Can anyone recommend James Holland's book about the raid?

racedo 20th Aug 2019 13:46

Hastings has always been a bit too right wing for me BUT he is a good historian.

I recently reread his Korean Way book and while could be rerevised as more files open it really is shocking how inept the UN side were, 8th Army collapse and aftermath almost allowed Korean to be reunited until Communists.

Downwind.Maddl-Land 20th Aug 2019 20:58

The definitive book on Op CHASTISE was written years ago by John Sweetman; I very much doubt that Hastings' book will add anything of substance to that production.

air pig 21st Aug 2019 00:38

Found it to be very readable for the non historian with an excellent level of depth of knowledge about the whole enterprise, in particular from the behind the scenes politics.

howiehowie93 21st Aug 2019 04:33


Originally Posted by Downwind.Maddl-Land (Post 10550142)
The definitive book on Op CHASTISE was written years ago by John Sweetman; I very much doubt that Hastings' book will add anything of substance to that production.

Is there a Kindle version ????

Downwind.Maddl-Land 21st Aug 2019 06:07


Originally Posted by howiehowie93 (Post 10550322)
Is there a Kindle version ????

The title of the original publication was "The Dams Raid: Epic or Myth?" with a second edition published in 1990 as "The Dambusters Raid". The latter included an additional chapter that further evaluated the success of the raid as a counter to the seemingly endless attacks mounted on the effectiveness of the raid by the post-war revisionists. Sorry, I don't know if either Title is available on Kindle.

teeteringhead 21st Aug 2019 10:50

Kindle has the Max Hastings book "Chastise: The Dambusters Story 1943" which will be available first week in September, but can be "pre-ordered" now.

Mods: hope this doesn't constitute advertising - seems to be no more so than the rest of the thread!

XV490 21st Aug 2019 11:38

Ref my earlier post, can I assume the James Holland book wasn't a big seller among PPrune folk? I read the excellent Sweetman account years ago.

trident3A 21st Aug 2019 15:23


Originally Posted by XV490 (Post 10550622)
Ref my earlier post, can I assume the James Holland book wasn't a big seller among PPrune folk? I read the excellent Sweetman account years ago.

I read it and really enjoyed it - it's certainly a gripping account. If you like his Battle of Britain one you won't go far wrong.

XV490 24th Aug 2019 08:43

Thanks, Trident. I'll give it s whirl.

Airbanda 24th Aug 2019 11:16


Originally Posted by XV490 (Post 10549707)
Makes me wonder how many other basic errors will be revealed when we finally see the book itself.

Mail's errors rather than those of Hastings?

XV490 24th Aug 2019 17:24


Originally Posted by Airbanda (Post 10553133)
Mail's errors rather than those of Hastings?

I doubt it. It's too well written to have been a Mail Online hack's work. I suppose, however, it could be a 'puff' job by someone at the publishers.

ICM 31st Aug 2019 23:00

A piece by Mr Hastings in today's Times Magazine:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...5e50ed7eb55215


Monkeytennis12345 9th Sep 2019 14:00

TBH, I purchased Max Hastings book, 'Arnhem' when it was released and was very pleasantly surprised to find a whole wealth of new material within it's pages. I look forward to the same with this one.

Asturias56 9th Sep 2019 17:22

His article in the "Times" colour magazine wasn't very complimentary about Gibson as a person........ but then we revert to the arguments in the Douglas Bader thread

Kemble Pitts 9th Sep 2019 20:07

'Johnny' Johnson who served under Gibson is not very complimentary about Gibson either.

Warmtoast 9th Sep 2019 21:09

A bit of thread drift, but fascinating background to Guy Gibson here: https://flashbak.com/fascinating-dam...phemera-36506/
….including music he chose for his appearance on desert island discs on 19th February 1944 and copy of "Valuation for Probate" of his effects after his death (his VC was valued at £250!)

Gibson's Desert Island Discs Music Choices
  1. Richard Addinsell . Warsaw Concerto
  2. Jack Hylton & His Orchestra. Where or When (from Babes In Arms)
  3. A Thousand and One Nights Waltz. Johann Strauss II
  4. The Flying Dutchman. R Wagner
  5. Bing Crosby. If I Had My Way
  6. The Marines Hymn. Fred Waring & His Pennsylvanians
  7. Royal Air Force March Past
  8. Ride of the Valkyries. Richard Wagner

JustinHeywood 17th Oct 2019 10:26


Originally Posted by Downwind.Maddl-Land (Post 10550350)
...the seemingly endless attacks mounted on the effectiveness of the raid by the post-war revisionists. .

That’s one of the aspects of the Dams Raid that Hastings has something new to say; it was widely accepted before the raid that the Sorpe was unlikely to be breached and thus any effect on Germany’s industrial capacity would be limited and short term. Yet in the context of the time it was considered a worthwhile operation.

I found it a great read; Hasting’s portrait of Guy Gibson in particular is nuanced and avoids any easy good guy/bad guy conclusion, although Arthur Harris is most definitely a bad guy in Hasting’s view.

The raid was an epic feat of courage and technical improvisation which should make our generation shake our heads in awe. To me, this book is the fairest and most comprehensive telling of the story yet.



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