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TCU 14th Jan 2017 18:27

Dave, thank you for putting me out of my misery as could not find either DG or CD2 under any ICAO/IATA definitions in my record...closest I got was a CD2T....Cessna 402 Turbine...DG just flummoxed me.

LTNman congrats on the 2,000th post. I watch this thread from afar (Cape Town) but it cheers me up every time it rises to the top of the wonderful Aviation-History-Nostalgia category

As a young lad I was a STN spotter (mid 70's - early 80's) and always thought of LTN as rather exotic!!

cj241101 14th Jan 2017 22:22

I suspect the Nomad was Holland Airlines.

http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/...psa6hgq8fy.jpg
PH-HAG 6/3/85

DaveReidUK 15th Jan 2017 00:24


Originally Posted by cj241101 (Post 9641069)
I suspect the Nomad was Holland Airlines.

Yes, I think you're right, upon investigation DG appears to have been their code.

Confusingly, most of their fleet wore "Holland Aero Lines" titles, including PH-HAG at one point.

LynxDriver 15th Jan 2017 04:16

Probably a long shot but does anyone have a photo of the single lane tunnel that used you used to have to pass through to get up to the airport? It was just off the the Lower Luton Road probably where Parkway station is now.

LTNman 15th Jan 2017 05:59

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/...psbcc064ed.jpg
Luton News

The tunnel lives on and is by the side of the multistory car park at Parkway
http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5fc88c5e.jpg

LTNman 15th Jan 2017 06:15

The list from Airport Timetable UK 1985

EO Euroflight/London European
KND Kondair
XF Spacegrand
SM Air Ecosse
CME Air Camelot
JE Manx Airlines
MO Airmore/ National
LC Loganair
BSF Business Flight Services
DG Holland Airlines
ALF Air Luton
HBD Hubbardair
KND Kondair
AK Air Bridge Carriers

22/04 15th Jan 2017 08:27

Vintage ATCO loved the picture of what was then a newish tower. A time that will never return. Any more like that, especially if in colour would brighten a very dull January day.

wallp 15th Jan 2017 09:34


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9641246)
http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/...psesuz2gml.jpg
Luton News

The tunnel lives on and is by the side of the multistory car park at Parkway
http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/...pse2okn8ku.jpg

I vaguely remember going through that tunnel but why was that the route to the airport and not through the old Vauxhall?

LTNman 15th Jan 2017 11:32

That was an alternate route for the locals who did not look at the road signs. Once though the tunnel it was a sharp right turn followed after a few yards by a sharp leff.

The route can still be seen on Google maps on the satellite view and ends up between the Vauxhall dealership and Express newspapers.

Spiney Norman 15th Jan 2017 12:22


Originally Posted by cj241101 (Post 9641069)
I suspect the Nomad was Holland Airlines.

http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/...psa6hgq8fy.jpg
PH-HAG 6/3/85

Here's one for the log keepers...I believe the Nomad that operated the Nightexpress flight for a short time after they commenced ops with that type may have been a 'manufacturers loan' with a VH registration. I never saw this sircraft 'in the tin' but seem to remember the registration being stated as VH-*** in box 18 of the flight plan form.

WHBM 15th Jan 2017 13:20


Pleased to see a vintage copy of Airport Timetables UK is still being put to good use. Darned shame the new-fangled interweb thingy put paid to it!

(Person with vested interest)!!
And I still have all mine ... somewhere up at the back of the attic. I think the first is around 1984, the last was, what. about 10 years ago ?

cj241101 15th Jan 2017 15:24


Originally Posted by Spiney Norman (Post 9641553)
Here's one for the log keepers...I believe the Nomad that operated the Nightexpress flight for a short time after they commenced ops with that type may have been a 'manufacturers loan' with a VH registration. I never saw this sircraft 'in the tin' but seem to remember the registration being stated as VH-*** in box 18 of the flight plan form.

PH-HAG 6 weeks prior to the earlier photo and still carrying its US registration.

http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/...psikaoftgt.jpg
N5579M 19/1/85


Going back to the Airport Timetables flight listings, does anyone know when Air Ecosse changed from their "WG" prefix? Their Bandits became regular during summer 1979 on mail flights, always using the "Whisky Golf" callsign. Up to 4 a night IIRC, WG912/914/916/918 possibly.

YVRLTN 16th Jan 2017 02:18

How many of those night flights were Royal Mail flights rather than newspaper flights? My grandfather set up Datapost in the 80's and I wish I knew more about the routes and aircraft he set up. I know he used Air Ecosse a lot and BCal and their regional partners ex LGW, but he also dealt with Hubbardair, National, Chanex, BAF and others and certainly set up flights ex LTN as he was very familiar with it. I vaguely recall he mentioned a carrier with a 402/404 but may have been ex LGW. Also a carrier with P68's to the Channel Isles, in fact he flew one (not ex LTN, maybe BOH in connection with Chanex), as I say I wish I remember more.

I have a very large scale National King Air and a smaller scale Chanex Herald (plus a BCal A310) he was given by reps and a photo of a Connectair Shed and a bronze BAF Viscount I still have on my wall.

LTNman 16th Jan 2017 05:35


How many of those night flights were Royal Mail flights rather than newspaper flights?
The Royal Mail flights have in the last column POM for Post Office Mail.

Changing the subject one of those nightly airlines was Spacegrand, they operated scheduled passenger services out of Blackpool for a while.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/xf.htm

mustbeaboeing 16th Jan 2017 09:46

DATAPOST...C404's Executive Express operated the BRS (Bristol) LTN BRS and CWL (Cardiff) LTN CWL Datapost services with these aircraft, having an aircraft and pilot based in each place

vulcanite 16th Jan 2017 10:39

...And I believe Spacegrand morphed into Jersey European, which became British European, which became Flybe.

kcockayne 16th Jan 2017 13:19


Originally Posted by vulcanite (Post 9642557)
...And I believe Spacegrand morphed into Jersey European, which became British European, which became Flybe.

You are correct. It was amalgamated with Intra Airways to form Jersey European in, about, the early 1980s.

Antek 16th Jan 2017 14:36

To add to the list - Centreline (HG) with Bandit/s. Went up north somewhere, possibly Glasgow.

There was also a P68 that did a run to Brussels I think most nights, often flown by very young pilots. Fixed-pitch props and welded gear, well suited to the recently-qualified.

And an Islander that went to Manchester, or was that Euroair? Long time ago...

And Air Continental's designator was CW.

Spiney Norman 17th Jan 2017 08:45


Originally Posted by Antek (Post 9642830)
To add to the list - Centreline (HG) with Bandit/s. Went up north somewhere, possibly Glasgow.

There was also a P68 that did a run to Brussels I think most nights, often flown by very young pilots. Fixed-pitch props and welded gear, well suited to the recently-qualified.

And an Islander that went to Manchester, or was that Euroair? Long time ago...

And Air Continental's designator was CW.

Morning Antek!

I did a RH seat ride to Manchester in the BN2 and believe it was G-BDWG which was Euroair. We delivered the load to the Southside Hangars which are now long gone under 23L/05R. We flew outside controlled airspace joining the EGCC CTR Special VFR. The pilot told me the most useful navaid on the route were the obstruction lights on top of the Evans lift tower in Northampton!

Re the PN68 you mention. Wasn't that Hubbardair?

Air Continental did a Leuchars return, generally in the Beech C90 but occasionally using a second aircraft, a PA31 Navajo when, I presume, the load was too large for the BE90. I did a RH seat flight on that too and went up on the BE90, (fabulous st.Elmo's fire demo). Then back on the PA31 Navajo. In the dark of night, in heavy rain and cloud, the glow of the turbo through the air vents in the engine cowling on my side was quite scary!

Spiney Norman 17th Jan 2017 08:57

Although it wasn't a postal/paper flight there was a regular I haven't seen mentioned. G-AZBK, an Aztec which regularly flew to Deelen in the Netherlands. This one was during the day. I believe it belonged to a London company who's name escapes me. Another one that was good for a RH seat ride to a very interesting destination.


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