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Noyade 28th Jun 2013 11:56

Hi sycamore, you mean as in Pou du Ciel style of wing? No mate, it's small but still a "traditional" biplane.

Noyade 28th Jun 2013 11:59

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rcn23o.jpg

Noyade 29th Jun 2013 20:33

Sunday Morning Closure
 
Time to end this one. The mystery exhaust belongs to the Martin Kitten.
Open House.
Cheers

J.V. Martin K.III Kitten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://i43.tinypic.com/91l9ac.jpg

MReyn24050 30th Jun 2013 10:41

Very interesting aircraft and challenge Graeme.

You should have let it run a little bit longer. The engine obviously was a two-cylinder engine and was in the process of doing a bit of research on Two-cylinder engines.
After your declaration I found the following details on the aircraft:-


The Martin K-III Kitten was designed in 1917 by James V. Martin for the U.S. Army as a high-altitude fighter. It was fitted with oxygen tanks behind the pilot's seat and provisions for electrically heating the pilot's clothing. Unfinished at the war's end, Martin shifted his goals for the K-III toward the post-war civilian light airplane market. About sixty test flights were made in the summer of 1919, but with little success.

Despite its failure as a practical airplane, the K-III had several interesting design features. It is generally recognized as the first airplane in the United States to be equipped with an in-flight-operated retracting landing gear. The "K-strut" wing truss was intended to equalize the moments and forces acting on the wing support, as well as to save weight and to reduce drag. Although the K-III was a failure (only one was built), it does illustrate one pioneering aeronautical engineer's novel attempts to solve rudimentary aircraft design problems.

Single-seat biplane with one two-cylinder 45-horsepower ABC Gnat engine. Retractable landing gear.

MReyn24050 30th Jun 2013 23:00

Open House!
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pse2d35f36.jpg

Noyade 30th Jun 2013 23:46

G'day Mel.

French? The prototype LeO 451 maybe?

http://i43.tinypic.com/2h7e4ci.jpg

MReyn24050 30th Jun 2013 23:57

You have it Greame :ok::D You have control.

Noyade 1st Jul 2013 00:07

Thanks Mel.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2wly7t5.jpg

Lightning Mate 1st Jul 2013 07:01

I can't believe that's a gun - a probe of some kind?

sycamore 1st Jul 2013 09:37

Mid -European..Czech,orPolish..?

Noyade 1st Jul 2013 10:09


I can't believe that's a gun
You need to believe mate.

Mid -European..Czech,orPolish..?
Not good with the geography sycamore, it looks Mid-European to me, but not Czech or Polish...

MReyn24050 1st Jul 2013 12:51

The engine is an Argus engine, possibly an Argus As 10 fitted to a Focke-Wulf Fw-56.

Noyade 1st Jul 2013 13:00


Focke-Wulf Fw-56
Well done Mel. The old "Double Stosser" trick didn't fool ya for a minute! :ok:

Your control. Night!

MReyn24050 1st Jul 2013 13:30

Thanks Graham. Here is the next:-

"Don't sit there all day, Bill, we have work to do! They want to install the engine before we knock off"

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...psca60fcf5.jpg

MReyn24050 1st Jul 2013 19:13

or perhaps that should say:- Ne pas s'asseoir là toute la journée, Bernard, nous avons du travail à faire! Ils veulent installer le Moteur avant de rentrer chez nous.

sycamore 1st Jul 2013 21:17

Ou peut-etre,on dis`l`Allison (ou la Nene) est arrivee..Zut alors,mon brave,nous devons finit par le temps du the, ou le pilote d`essais ne voler pas dans cette T-33(ou CT-133) ...

MReyn24050 1st Jul 2013 22:30

Well my friend sycamore the engine was certainly a Nene but the aircraft was not a Shooting Star or Silver Star.:)

SincoTC 1st Jul 2013 22:40

Hello Mel,

Just trying to get my eye in again and wondering if it's a Dassault M.D.450 Ouragan ??

Edit:

In the unlikely event of it being correct, I'm afraid it'll have to be OH. Still very little time to spare and I can't access my photobucket account at the moment 'coz we put our email into the cloud and all my address books and log-ins got trashed and I'm still sorting them all out again, sorry :*

MReyn24050 1st Jul 2013 23:13

No problem with your eye. It certainly is the Dassault M.D.450 Ouragan

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...ps9f7091bb.jpg

No problem with Open House I hope manage to sort out the problem.
Mel

Noyade 2nd Jul 2013 11:26

Open house...

http://i39.tinypic.com/aff281.jpg

MReyn24050 2nd Jul 2013 13:36

V-12 engine. Possibly a BMW VI?

Noyade 2nd Jul 2013 23:06


Possibly a BMW VI?
That's the engine....

MReyn24050 3rd Jul 2013 00:07

Quick stab Dornier Do17E

Noyade 3rd Jul 2013 00:21

Good stab mate! But it glanced off a rib! :)

Dornier...yes.
17E........no.

ICT_SLB 3rd Jul 2013 03:02

The Obergefreiter looks like he's in the sort of built-in stand you only get on seaplanes.

Lightning Mate 3rd Jul 2013 06:19

Delphin ?..

Noyade 3rd Jul 2013 09:34


The Obergefreiter looks like he's in the sort of built-in stand you only get on seaplanes.
Built in a landplane and floatplane version...


Delphin ?..
...but not a flying-boat.

MReyn24050 3rd Jul 2013 11:55

Dornier Merkur I or perhaps the Merkur II.

Noyade 3rd Jul 2013 12:00

Merkur will do just fine Mel. :ok:

Your control.

http://i39.tinypic.com/wsve3t.jpg

MReyn24050 3rd Jul 2013 13:08

Thanks Graeme. another very interesting challenge. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...ps1fa6a29f.jpg

Noyade 3rd Jul 2013 23:13

Evening Mel.

What's that "metal?" piece as indicated?...

https://imageshack.com/scaled/large/842/w7e9.jpg

French?
Bleriot?
111?

Cheers.

MReyn24050 3rd Jul 2013 23:22

HI Graeme.
It is French and the part you have indicated in your imageshack image is part of the undercarriage.

Noyade 3rd Jul 2013 23:52

Thanks Mel!

MReyn24050 4th Jul 2013 00:06

I will leave you to it Goodnight from here.

SincoTC 4th Jul 2013 06:42

Good morning Mel,

I was pondering over that triangular device at top left, it's shadow shows it must be transparent, so I guess an open window?

Therefore with the country clue and what appears to be a high AR wing, I think it may be the Bernard 81 GR "Oiseau Canari II"

Regret another OH if correct as I still can't get PB access.

MReyn24050 4th Jul 2013 10:19

Good Morning Trevor

I think it may be the Bernard 81 GR "Oiseau Canari II"
:ok:

Tht is the one.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pscfca95aa.jpg

Hope you manage to get PB fixed soon. Open House it is.

SincoTC 5th Jul 2013 22:50

Thanks Mel,

Nice Challenge that big "Yellow Bird" :ok:

Sorry for the delay, but I have managed to sort out my PB, so here's the next (fairly easy one I expect).

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...ps79fac0c6.jpg

MReyn24050 6th Jul 2013 13:42

Hi Trevor, glad to see you have sorted photobucket out. Your aircraft looks to be a single engined high-wing cantilever monoplane with very thick cross section. Similar to the Fokker II but I do not think that is the type. Cannot quite make out the engine. Is it a 5 or 3 cylinder engine?
Mel

SincoTC 6th Jul 2013 14:34

Hi Mel,

Your observations are correct and it's not a Fokker. Nor a three or five cylinder engine either, but the latter is very close ;)

dubbleyew eight 6th Jul 2013 16:03

is that a homebuilt alco sport?


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