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RegDep 26th Aug 2011 18:10

How old are you, in fact HP? :E

evansb 26th Aug 2011 18:21

The photo was posted here awhile ago, and originated from a San Diego Archive, which misidentified the aircraft. I think...

HappyPass 26th Aug 2011 18:27

That means a c**ptacular 100k-odd photos to look at... :\
I need something to drink... :p

skwinty 26th Aug 2011 18:33

Bristol 142, I saw that as a Ripon C-2?

HappyPass 26th Aug 2011 18:49

Who knows, maybe I'm mistaking this one with the Gloster F.9/37 (which is an H-tail) because of the general appearance of the nose and engine pods...
Anyway, time for a good dinner!

RegDep 26th Aug 2011 18:57


Bristol 142
A Blenheim ……… :uhoh:

skwinty 26th Aug 2011 19:00

Wasn't the 143 the prototype for the Blenheim?

:hmm:

RegDep 26th Aug 2011 19:00

I'll plead no contest.

I had thought that Bristol 142M was Bristol Blenheim. But Bristol 142 Britain First has been dubbed as "the sire of the Bristol Blenheim". Go figure all that out. I think we need RR to sort the mess out :{.

skwinty 26th Aug 2011 19:19

No need to :{ about a short nosed pig.:E

I looked at this to make the Bristol call, should have said type 143, but on seeing photos now I am probably wrong as the landing gear has panels attached.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/a...1935-36327.jpg

Ridge Runner 26th Aug 2011 20:46

Hello all!

None of the above!!!!!:E ...including EvansB's offerings!

RR

RegDep 26th Aug 2011 20:57

So where are we? Oh yes. On our way to bed. Good night!

And about the time to do so (this was the response to #1814 :mad:).

HappyPass 26th Aug 2011 20:58

You still didn't answer my #1795 post (maybe because it went before your last one at that time)... :E

Edit: thanks...

Ridge Runner 26th Aug 2011 21:02

Sorry, mate ...


Is it British? or at least European?
I have some vague memories, but cannot bring them to a focus...

Edit: there it goes again with that annoying bug...
No!!!!! :)

Noyade 26th Aug 2011 21:45

Evening!


Beechcraft AT-10 Wichita ?

The photo was posted here awhile ago, and originated from a San Diego Archive, which misidentified the aircraft. I think...
Hi Brian, I'd swear on a stack of bibles you posted this challenge image (not that long ago) and yes it was the AT-10? But for the life of me I can't find it in the old thread. At the time I asked you(?) if it could be the Nakajima J5NI and you replied with something along the lines of "no, but I can understand why you thought that".

I must be going nuts?!

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7...une220811a.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/327/img055a.jpg



Is it Japanese Martin?!

RegDep 26th Aug 2011 22:02

Graeme, that was identified at the time by the poster, Brian, as Cessna UC-78 (the Bobcat). #26402 on 30 May 2011. Brian's Photobucket got full and he has deleted a lot of his old challenges…..


I must be going nuts?!
This time, I think not.

HappyPass 26th Aug 2011 22:11

Hey folks, HP to the rescue here!!!
I save almost all the pages in which I have posted something (that's paranoid, I know...)
So I went back and browsed through my archive and... that's where I saw it!!!

TA-DAH!
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/742...becaf704o1.jpg

You can check the filename (minus the chars added by ImageShack, that is) against the one on page 1321, SC Mk.I.
Then how come the same picture is posted by evansb and id-ed as a Bobcat and then reappears and it's not that anymore? What's yer source, RR?

...at least I found where I saw that the first time... :O


Edit: that's not a Bobcat fer shure, look at the cockpit ceiling/canopy, it can be opened!!!

evansb 26th Aug 2011 22:12

Here it is, a Cessna AT-8, near similar photo.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1788/abohis19400.jpg

RegDep 26th Aug 2011 22:17

I am gone. Too much for me for one night :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

HappyPass 26th Aug 2011 22:17

Nite y'all, I'm off to bed too... :zzz:

skytrain10 26th Aug 2011 22:32

I confess I am a little confused, but there again have had a long day. My first thought was a Bobcat, but looking closer the nose appears too short for a Bobcat and the canopy looks wrong. Would it the Cessna P-10?

evansb 26th Aug 2011 23:06

As the challenge photo aircraft is devoid of markings, perhaps it is the prototype AT-8 that first flew in March of 1939. Production models didn't come on stream until one year later. The landing gear, nacelle lines, cowling, engine shroud, wing dihedral, antenna insulators, tail, tail wheel position, lower fueslage line, and elevator position and stabiliser proportion all agree with other Cessna AT-8s. The nose shape and canopy fenestration does appear somewhat different.. As a juror, I would vote for it being a Cessna.

SincoTC 26th Aug 2011 23:13

Just returned from a long day too and have come to the same conclusion as skytrain regarding the possibility of the Cessna P-10, mainly due to the description of the nose and canopy. I could only find a single picture from an entirely different angle, but notice the ADF antenna behind the cockpit and the protruberance on the tip of the fin visible in both Martin's and this image!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...oSafe/p10l.jpg



To compete with Curtiss’ higher-performance AT-9 twin-engine trainer, Cessna designed and built the prototype P-10. This one-and-only P-10 (registration number NX34751) was an experimental two-place trainer completed on October 4, 1941, and first flown two days later. When Cessna was unable to interest the AAF in these new designs, they dismantled both the P-10 and P-7 prototypes on October 14, 1942.


evansb 26th Aug 2011 23:31

You identified it! Well done!:D The hitherto unheard-of Cessna P-10.
We can all rest well now, gentlemen. :)

SincoTC 26th Aug 2011 23:48

Thanks Brian! Well, I think that it does look like the challenge aircraft, but credit must go to skytrain if it is!

Like you, I was convinced that it was a Cessna, but was troubled by the different canopy, when I found the decription "Side-by-side seating; full-vision, sliding canopy" in Aerofiles (without a picture) I went looking for one, but when I returned to post having found the image above, Ken had got there first.

Oh well, I'm off to bed now, goodnight :ok:

RegDep 27th Aug 2011 07:31

Good morning Skytrain. I hear you are on…

Ach! Waiting for RR's call…..

skytrain10 27th Aug 2011 07:34

Morning Reg, yes I'm here, but have to go unfortunately. I have not managed to find a photo on the net of the P-10, but RR's challenge seems to fit the description, as well as the photo that Trevor has found.

Martin, if it is the P-10 then it will be Open House.

skwinty 27th Aug 2011 07:38

Morning all,
Great challenge!:D

RegDep 27th Aug 2011 07:57

TC, was your quote from Cessna Flyer Assn site?


The P-10 was powered by a pair of 300-hp Jacobs L6MB engines driving two-bladed, constant speed, metal Hamilton Standard propellers. The wing and tail surfaces were plywood. To minimize the use of strategic war materials, only the welded-steel frame used the precious metal. Compared to the T-50 or P-7, the P-10 appeared sleek with its streamlined fuselage, shorter wings, cockpit encased in a bubble-style canopy, and beefy landing gear (reused from a North American AT-6). The result was a trainer with the stance and panache of a fighter, vaguely reminiscent of the Lockheed P-38.

Ridge Runner 27th Aug 2011 08:00

Yes - the Cessna P-10. One built. No photos on web as far as I know!

I think Ken has it but OH declared

skwinty 27th Aug 2011 08:04

Try this one.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/a...nty/test-1.jpg

skwinty 27th Aug 2011 08:19

RegDep, some of those photos are found here.

Vintage and Historical Aircraft: Wings Over Kansas

RegDep 27th Aug 2011 08:23

RR, great challenge although no photos available in web! Apparently solvable nevertheless, as we saw. Anybody know how to get to see the contents of the Kansas Aviation Museum Robert J. Pickett Collection images? Other than going to Wichita?

Edit: Thanks skwinty. That site I know, have even posted a challenge from there :).

Noyade 27th Aug 2011 08:35

Morning.

skwinty, is yours a really sleek-looking French aircraft....?

If it's the one I'm thinking of we've had it here before and on What Cockpit?

SincoTC 27th Aug 2011 08:39

Morning all,

Evening Graeme; I think you're right, it looks like the Hirsh H-100 and I think I may have got it the first time round, I certainly posted a pic of it in the Musee de L'air.

Not to worry skwinty, we've all done it :)

skwinty 27th Aug 2011 08:40

I am not to sure of country of origin, but may have a French connection.

skwinty 27th Aug 2011 08:44

My bad, I missed it in the list.:O


Hirsch-MAéRC H-100 (F-WGVC c/n 01)

So I guess that resets the open house.

SincoTC 27th Aug 2011 08:45

Question from RegDep
 

TC, was your quote from Cessna Flyer Assn site?
Yes mate, the paragraph above the one you posted :)

The picture I found was on the web, here (found with a different search string that found the above site)!

Jaka to maszyna? Edycja wojskowa, okres WW2 - Strona 204

Noyade 27th Aug 2011 08:59


Hirsch-MAéRC H-100
Thanks Trevor. I went to What Cockpit and worked up from "Z" looking for 2011 entries...

Got another image/challenge instead skwinty?

skwinty 27th Aug 2011 09:03

OK, try this one.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/a...fdhtthrhtr.jpg

SincoTC 27th Aug 2011 09:06


Originally Posted by skwinty

Like I said mate, don't worry too much!

Dunno how you search the list, but I've been caught out many times with slight differences in spelling or foriegn accents like yours has!

I use the standard Windows F3 search, first on the whole name, then I whittle down the string to smaller sections like Hirsch, H-100, H.100 H 100.

If you're lucky you won't find your prospective challenge and you post it, only to find it has been up, but too recently to be on Mel's great list :ugh:


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