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Presume a pusher prop?
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Correct; it is a pusher!
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Mmm, not coming up with much - had wondered if it would show up as motorglider, but seemingly not. 1920's era?
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It is categorised as a monoplane, but not from the 20's, try a decade earlier.
Edit: This was the designer's third powered aircraft; he is regarded as a pioneer, but is not a household name today and would probably be dismissed as a typographical error by anyone interested in aircraft ;) !! |
Another clue added rather than edited to show up as a new post!
One source mentions what I think is a rather unfortunate coincidence; in that one of these aircraft suffered a fatal accident, killing both pilot and passenger on exactly the same day as the previous version set a World Record for Altitude carrying a passenger :hmm: |
Christmas Challenge No.2
Still looking Trevor. :(
Gave up making an aviation-based Silhouette Christmas Challenge, but I did find this Gallipoli Christmas Card Challenge from 1915. Spot the Turk.... http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2574/christmash.jpg Seasons Greetings from Oz. :ok: |
Evening Graeme,
Greetings to you too mate and to all dunnunda :ok: I like the card; good camo, but a bit early in the campaign to be awarding decorations innit :) |
Good morning/evening all....Graeme, I reckon he would have got away with the disguise if it hadn't been for the boots:)
Busy morning Trevor, so not had a chance to relook at your challenge....why do I have a nasty feeling that Breguet's may hold the key:( |
Good morning Ken :),
why do I have a nasty feeling that Breguet's may hold the key It's not on Wiki, although the designer chappie is mentioned (a single line entry) and he get's mention for his later work on an aircraft he designed for a company he joined in 1916. |
Would have got there a lot quicker but the bad weather appears to have affected our broadband somewhat....anyway the Dorner Eindecker?
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I don't know if it's the bad weather, or just millions of kids at home and online, but it's awful slow in these parts too!
Well done Ken, it is the Dorner Eindecker Typ III of 1911 :D Hermann Dorner (born May 27, 1882 in Wittenberg, died February 6, 1963 in Hannover) was among the first German powered aircraft designers. He studied nautical engineering in Berlin, graduated in 1909, and in the summer of 1910 he acquired the pilot license No. 18 of the Deutschen Luftfahrer-Verbandes (German pilots association). In 1907 he had begun to develop a glider, to the nose of which an engine could be attached. Entering his self-designed powered monoplane, Dorner was the sole German who participated at the Erster Internationalen Flugwoche (first international flying week) in Johannisthal in September 1909, the first time a German powered aircraft was presented at a big event. In 1910 the Dorner Flugzeug GmbH (Aircraft Ltd.) was formed. After Dorner ran into financial difficulties in 1912, he became an instructor at the Luftfahrerschule (pilot school) Adlershof, and the following year he became the technical director at the recently founded Deutsche Versuchsanstalt für Luftfahrt (German experimental institute for aviation. Mid-1914 he and Heinrich Oelerich developed at the Deutsche Flugzeugwerke (DFW, German aircraft works) the DFW B.I and B. II. Late 1915 he became chief designer of the DFW Riesenflugzeugabteilung (giant aircraft department ) at Leipzig-Lindenthal, In 1916 he became chief engineer for aircraft engine development at the Hannoverschen Waggonfabrik, Abteilung Flugzeugbau (Hanover railway car factory, aircraft department) at Hannover-Linden, where he designed the Hannover CL Types. After WW I Dorner left the aviation scene. This photo was from the Original 1912 Dorner Company brochure skytrain10 has control :ok: |
Thanks Trevor. I think with us its the weather or line maintenance as we keep loosing the connection.
Things appear to be ok at present, so here is the next challenge: http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/i...r/2a2240eb.jpg |
A clue for any lurkers out there...European, WWI.
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Morane-Saulnier H or it's Pfalz derivative,the E1?
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Neither of those sabredog.
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Evening Ken and SD. Russian?
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Scout Moran-Saulnier Type G?
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Swedish! :)
Thulin K. |
Sorry sabredog, not the MS Type G.
Morning Graeme, yes it is the Thulin K from Sweden...well done mate:ok: http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/fww1/thulink-i.jpg Noyade has control |
Thanks Ken. Try this, but I'll have to reveal it later tonight when I get home from work if unsolved...
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/426/img303u.jpg |
New page, so for continuity, here it is again...
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2238/img303cv.jpg The line drawing is the proposed turboprop Mk IV version. Here's a mock-up of the piston Mk III version... http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7040/img304t.jpg |
Hi Graeme....just realised another page had gone by. So the MkIV was/is a project...was the MkIII built? Presumably there is a MkI and II?
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Hi Graeme, evening Ken :)
Is it the Aero Maroc Industrie (AMI) Gepal Mk IV ?? I haven't found any pictures yet, but I understand that AMI displayed a mockup of the Mk III (your photo?) at the 1983 Paris Air show, hence French cars in background! |
Evening Trevor....well I'm sure you've got it. The MkIII appears in Flight Global. Totally new one on me....nice one Graeme:ok:
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Thanks Ken,
I just found the photo on an Arabic website pointing out the similarities of the Mk IV to the Beech Turbo Mentor and including the Flight article. http://defense-arab.com/vb/showthread.php?p=168514 As Graeme won't be around for a few hours yet, I'm going to hit the sack now and try and dream up a suitable challenge!! Goodnight mate, sleep well :ok: |
Thanks for the link:ok:
Going to hit the hay myself now, so good night, and will check in tomorrow. |
Morning gents.
Well done Trevor :ok: Arabic website A little more on the GEPAL... http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6262/img306k.jpg |
Thanks Graeme,
Sleep well mate and dream of what Santa will bring you! I hope that you, Julie and the boys have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year :ok: The original manufacturer's name or a nickname will do for this one! http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/.../TC-wtf183.jpg |
Sleep well mate Now... European trainer - late twenties? |
Thanks for the wishes; still got a busy day ahead here :)
European trainer - late twenties? |
still got a busy day ahead here I'll continue to sip, lurk and leave you to your busy day. :ok: Cheers. |
The "Red" is warming you up there mate, you're on the right tack ;) !
It is Amenican and a variety of 60 Hp engines were fitted as the design evolved, but this one didn't have a Kinner. Edit: Back in a couple of hours :) |
Kinner Canary ?
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Well done Brian, it is the Kinner Canary, AKA Airster :D:D
The Airster appeared in 1920 designed by Bert Kinner, it was a one or two seat open-cockpit single-engine biplane. The first single-seat Airster was powered by a 60 hp (45 kW) Lawrance L-4 radial engine. When the prototype crashed on a test flight it was rebuilt as a two-seater with a wider cockpit. One Airster named The Canary was bought by Amelia Earhart while she was learning to fly (one source has it that Amelia’s parents gave it to her for her 24th birthday). On October 22, 1922, Earhart set a women's altitude record of 14,000 feet (4,200 meters). Sadly, she was soon forced to sell her Canary owing to the high price of gas. Later production aircraft had slab-sided plywood fuselages and were powered by a variety of 60 hp (45 kW) engines including Kinner. Bert Kinner standing beside what was to become The Canary on account of its bright yellow colour scheme! evansb has control :ok: |
Thank you! Seasons Greetings! Here is the next mystery ship:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r.../WSH111224.jpg |
Thanks for the Greeting Brian :ok:
May I echo them and say Seasons Greetings to all AH & N participants and viewers worldwide !!! Gawd! What would you guys do without aerofiles.com ? I now believe it to be a Huff-Daland D-49 Duster and maybe the wide front cockpit is a loading hopper?? Regret it'll have to be Open House if correct, as I'm out with the Family in a couple of hours and will be offline all day! Have a good day one and all and raise a glass to "absent friends" :ok: :ok: |
Merry Christmas everyone:)
Well I'm sure you've got it Trevor. I looked briefly last night but figured I'd leave it until this morning...bad move:{ As to whether its the Pelican or the Duster I am not sure...the only photo of the latter I have found has spoked wheels. Anyway, for anyone who looks in, have a great day and enjoy the festivities Cheers:ok: |
Not the Huff-Daland Duster, but there is a connection. If a certain merger didn't take place, this aeroplane might be known as the "Huff & Puff".
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Good morning Evansb. It must be the Keystone Puffer then.
Edit; Open House if correct. Happy Holidays to all! |
[I]Karlark[I] is correct. The Keystone Puffer. As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE
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