What REALLY Happened To Nigger?
 

Hi all,

im currently collating a story, for the magazine i am editor of trying to find out what really happened to Guy Gibson's dog, nigger.

there are a few things that baffle me about the official story though, and i was wondering if any of you guys had heard rumours/stories circulating which could help me unravel it a bit more.

heres what gets me :

The official story says that nigger was killed by a car that didnt stop outside the gates at Scampton on the day of the Ruhr valley raids.

Now, as im sure you all know, military instillations are "locked down" before any movement, in this case, a top secret raid, with nobody going out, and nobody coming in, so HOW did nigger get on to the road in front of the gates to be killed?

There are rumours going around about nigger being murdered to affect morale, but this would be under the assumption there was a saboteur or enemy agent IN Scampton at the time.

Also, another rumour say he was killed deliberately by a member of the aircrew, because he had a habit of "splashing" anything lower than a squadron leader, and instead of being buried by the mess, he was tossed into a ditch and had the "splashing" reciprocated by the aircrew....

Anyone know of any rumours/stories etc that could add any creedence to any of this?

Slainte!

Tam

If you understand that "locked down" means something along the lines of a chain link or solid gate from ground level upwards, I think you are under a misapprehension.

The gate would probaby have been nothing more than the usual swinging barrier arm, with a guard in attendance to prevent human and vehicle exit.
It would not have stopped nigger from just walking under it.

I really must protest at this blackening of the reputation of a famous aviation dog and sod the PC brigade who want his name deleted.

Chevvron. Hear Hear.

A search on our archives will reveal much about what happened to 'Nigger' but I am sure you will also get some later info.

Oh dear! Can't wait to see where this goes :E

Bob C

The stupidity of this thread makes me laugh ..... I stayed in a resort last July, the resort's owners had a 5 month young dog that, one evening, decided it wanted to shag my leg.

Should I have reminded that dog that this was a 'lock down' thus no shagging of my leg was allowed? :)

A thread I started on the Cabin Crew forum a couple of hours ago has been closed by a moderator. I have no idea why except that it could be taken as being critical of CC behaviour I encountered on a recent flight.
This thread contains a term of racial abuse in its title. Yes, I realise the word was a name given to a dog probably because of the colour of his coat. However, that does not change the fact that the word has been used to insult, deride and belittle black people. Some members of Pprune may well have suffered abuse of this nature. No matter what the context this word should not be used. I'm not suggesting the thread should be closed or deleted. However, it should be edited to remove this offensive word.

It's not an offensive word. It's a name. Used in a different context it could be offensive.

The name 'Concha', which is a frequently used female name in Spain, is a very vulgar word in South American slang for the female genitalia. Nobody considers it offensive in the right context.

(I just avoided falling into the trap of saying it's a common woman's name in Spain!)

ff2..............

Please tell me you are joking?!!!

Planemike

And rewrite history to satisfy the sensibilities of a few? Reading a biography the other day about a chap who was of a gay nature. Should the book be rewritten so as not to cast a modern day implication to the mans character, since the book was written circa 1940? I'm sure his family would choke on todays interpretation.

"This thread contains a term of racial abuse in its title"

OFFS:ugh:

Black Lab
 

<<<"This thread contains a term of racial abuse in its title">>

Bull, it contains the name of a black Labrador dog killed prior to a very important operation.

frequentflyer2: If the thread title is edited to remove the word you find so offensive, it will now read " What REALLY Happened To ?".
Is that what you want ?

There was a huge fuss several years ago in the U. S., can't remember the exact circumstances or context, but a newspaper op-ed writer--as I remember--used the perfectly valid word "niggardly," meaning stingy, and the scheiss hit the impeller...

I have always understood the word nigger to refer to the colour black in an artists palette. I think it is incredibly racist of frequentflyer2 to to see it purely as referring to a person with a dark coloured skin.

I read somewhere recently that golliwogs have been reprieved. Does this mean that my Robertson jam mementoes can see the light of day again.

My friends have an alsation dog. I think that is racist, naming a breed of dog after people from Alsace and Lorraine. Imagine do my friends have no shame. :\

Then we have pekinese dogs, should they now be called Beijinganese, and should the chinese people be allowed to object. :*

As for Guy Gibson's dog, let him lie in peace. His master and colleagues were instrumental in saving many thousands of allied lives. If I had a black dog I would be proud to call it Nigger.

Everyone settle down and have a nice, cool cheese sandwich.
Here's the cheese we often recommend in Australia ...

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/hs...12/20/coon.jpg

(Not joking! We really do have a very popular cheese by that name)

It Does Not Stop There
 

When ITV screened the Dam Busters film, at the appropriate moment there is 'peep', so perhaps the dog's name was really Peep - said in a sort of screamy voice.

Remember the Robertson's jam jar label?

Don't do as I once did in the USA and talk about 'fag packet design' - it took me longer to get out of the 'outrage' caused than it did to cover the topic about which I was talking.

Watch out in Canada - it's now 'first nations' when discussing the early inhabitants.

My first dog, bought for me in February 1953, was a black cocker spaniel called - no not Cock - but 'Blackie'. The name was perfectly acceptable and there was never any offence given or taken. The PC claptrap (please note 'clap' is not used in this context in relation to a social ailment) is ruling every aspect of our life and should be resisted.

I don't believe there is anything really sinister about the dog's death. If there had been, it would have come out long before now and been substantiated. If there was foul play, Gibson was not the sort of man who would let it rest, so unless the culprit was killed on the raid, I think we would have heard more about it in the contemporary accounts.

O-D = (Just off to walk a pair of Bl:mad:k and Gold German Shepherd Dogs - soon to have the 'Alsation' part of the name removed by popular demand of the Breed Council)

FF2 : Think yourself lucky you don't work in Svaginahorpe, Lincs, as a nightwatchman.

In the meantime, highly pigmented rap musicians refer to their music style commonly as "nigger music".

Out of interest, does anybody know anybody who is, well, black, who gives a damn about the fact that GG's dog was called this, or is it just a selection of overly-sensitive white liberals?


A former girlfriend of mine, black and a very well respected schoolteacher (still is for that matter - a schoolteacher that is, not my girlfriend) used to get very frustrated when people tried to call blackboards chalkboards in front of here. "Look, it's a board, it's black, black is a colour, it applies to me as well - get over it" was roughly how she usually put it.

G

I went into a camera shop, in fact as it's good publicity for their service I'll mention the name, a branch of Jessops, where one of the salesmen was particularly helpful.

Next day I went to make purchases worth almost £1000 based on the help that this man had given me, so I wanted him to get the commission or recognition for having been so helpful. He wasn't there, so I told the girl behind the counter that I was looking for the 'black gentleman' (and he was black, not brown or 'tanned!) who helped me the day before.

"We don't have any black people here" she said. I began to wonder if I was losing my marbles and had been at another branch, but I stood my ground, and eventually she said : "Well we have Mr ....... who is Afro-Caribbean".

Then there was the time I reported a persistently unpleasant woman in a fast food outlet to the head office. The last straw for me was when she was abusive to a small boy who was a few pence short of the money for his order and snapped at me when I gave him the coins. She refused to give me her name so I wrote on the report: "The black lady".
The reply I got said : "We are not taking this matter any further as we believe that your report is racially motivated.

FFS!!Some people neeed to seriously grow up and get out more.

A while back there was a move to bring back the Black and White Minstrel show on TV. I filed an objection - never seen white minstrels looking anything like that. :}

Meanwhile, Nigger's fate remains a mystery - most profound thread drift for a while!:hmm:

I am surprised that the spolling pelice haven't jumped on this one. The OP claims to be the editor of a magazine. If his punctuation and spelling reflects the quality of this journal, it can't be a very serious one.

I had a black son-in-law for 10 years. I used to tell him racial jokes all the time [with no nasty intent, as he well knew]. He thought they were hilarious, and pointed out that black people are perfectly happy to be called black, but nobody seems to ask THEM if they mind!!!.

'Out of interest, does anybody know anybody who is, well, black, who gives a damn about the fact that GG's dog was called this, or is it just a selection of overly-sensitive white liberals?'

There was one allegedly. Caused a big explosion of opinion over on the military forum a few years ago when it was reported that a painting of a certain Wing Commander and his dog was taken down from it's place of honour in the Officer's Mess after a complaint.

Or maybe history has been re-written and this never really happened!:ugh:

Dr Coon loves his cheese.....me too!

PC is so much BS. The "F" word and others seem to be quite OK with the hairy arm pitted brigade but not a black dogs actual name. My rugby hero as a kid was a guy called "Nigger" Brown. They even named the city football stadium stand after him. Fast forward 40 years and some **** comes along and wants it changed. Mr Brown was only ever known by his nick-name!

Gravity doesn't exist, the earth sucks!:D
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To suggest an answer to the question
 

What REALLY Happened To Nigger?
I think he is playing the bone in Louis Armstrong's Celestial Hot Five

Would I not be right in saying that 'nigger' (lower case) was a derisory term used in the southern USA to describe a slave, whereas 'Nigger' (upper case) is/was a common name for an animal with a black coat; certainly I can remember the horse used by the local Co-op for deliveries to my home in the '50s being called Nigger.

I don't know how to do the linky thing but could I point any interested parties to the YouTube clip, "Why I hate niggers" by Chris Rock (who is himself non reflective).

I wonder if we should attach any significance to the fact the OP has not returned to the thread and joined in the debate?

Planemike

As an aside, why do we talk about printing in black and white when it's really only black?

STOP PRESS - STOP PRESS!!!

It's just been announced that in the new version of The Dam Busters film, the one where the well known military aviation historian; Stephen Fry, has been entrusted with the script, the dog will be a female of the species (usually referred to as a B:mad:h). It's name is to be NIGELLA.

O-D

This is the same type of PC lunacy as this ... which I have posted before :

I took my godchildren to see the production of The Railway Children at Waterloo Station. It was outstanding and I can recommend it to anyone.

Political correctness, as always, dictated that a percentage of black people be included, despite the fact that this detracted from the reality and was totally out of context.

Albert Perks (the station master) and his wife were played by white people, but one of their three children was black. Much to my amusement, the small child behind us said loudly to his mother : "Mummy if those people are white how come one of their children is black."

Kids are not stupid!

I suspect the old chap from Northamptonshire already knew ...

Acronyms for PC are fair game in my book. However Gibson would never have got 617 after 1997.
His choice of name for his dog 'could have been offensive to someone' ....I very much doubt any black person would 'genuinely' be offended.

Which brings us back to the - miserable? - PC merchants.

If it is considered to be acceptable to call Gibson’s dog by his original name, what does the team think about the recent furore on the other side of the pond about intentions to produce versions of Huckleberry Finn with not only the word ‘nigger’ removed from the text but also the word ‘injun’?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/books/07huck.html

Is it appropriate that youngsters should grow up being protected from the truths, however unpleasant, about their own country?

If so, where then does one draw a line?

Do the same people who answer the above question with a resounding ‘yes’ think also then that the Germans should therefore remove from their education syllabus the compulsory teaching of children about their recent ancestors’ involvement in such matters as the Final Solution?

And how might they respond to the fact that very few young Japanese have ever been taught about the most dubious behaviour of their country through the first decades of the 20th century?

Come to that, what should best be done with regard to teaching English and American students (among others), about the comparative realities of involvement of their own countries and the Soviet Union in WWII? That’s not the Hollywood version of events but rather the actual history of a conflict in which the two former nations sacrificed approximately 400,000 lives apiece while the later lost more than 20,000,000…

Doesn’t ‘our’ system of Civilidsation absolutely rely upon the strength of a Justice meted out by the use of the term ‘The Truth, the Whole Truth and nothing but the Truth?

Sorry for those of you who dislike thread drift. Quite an achievement I reckon to get from considerations of the name of a dead dog to considerations of what amounts to Civilisation in half a page…

Strictly speaking Genghis, Black is a tone, not a colour. Leastways, s'wot our art teech used to tell us constantly, what with it being a lack of reflection as opposed to a combination of materials emitting colour to form new colours.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe that if Guy Gibson's dog hadn't been called what he was called, you wouldn't be writing a magazine article about him.

It is an offensive word, regardless of what some people,on this forum seem to think. I get the impression that some people love slipping the subject of Guy Gibson's dog into a conversation because it gives them an excuse to use that particular word.

I probably won't bother reading the rest of this thread as I can already guess I'm going to get a right slagging-off. You can call this post 'politically-correct BS' if you want. I call it being respectful.

Then perhaps you can forgive some of us for appearing normal.