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OUAQUKGF Ops 16th Feb 2011 16:53

Trident at Booker.
 
Anybody remember the splendid Air Displays at Booker in the late sixties early seventies? I recall at one show seeing a BEA Trident (was it inbound to Heathrow from Brussels?) doing a super fly-past. I understand some of the pax were NOT AMUSED! Gosh and then there were the Red Arrows going hell for leather in their Gnats - they blew all my Ian Allan stuff and binos off the top of my minivan pulling out from the bomb-burst. Ray Hanna in a Spitfire in the days when Spitfires were still a novelty and a Vulcan too if my memory serves me right.

lebo35 16th Feb 2011 17:47

I remember the one that coincided with Booker's hosting of the Kings Cup Air Race in 1972. A Vulcan made a very noisy display which I enjoyed much more than my one year old daughter. Sadly, I don't remember anything else about the day.

happybiker 16th Feb 2011 18:25

Ahhhh Booker! I also remember a BOAC VC 10 doing a low level high speed fly on the way to Heathrow which impressed me somewhat. I had never seen a commercial aircraft do anything like that before. Also recall Ray Hanna "cutting the grass" in a Spitfire PR9. I think it must have been 1971. Did the sun always shine in those days!

JEM60 16th Feb 2011 18:42

OUAQUK. Yep, I remember it well!! I think it was inbound from Geneva, I thought it was a great display, although you are quite correct about less than amused passengers.!!!!. I had a pleasure flight in a Cherokee [!],that day and was allowed to handle it to give the guy a rest!!!. I subsequently did my PPL there. I also remember Don Bullock displaying B.17 'Sally B' as it now is. My wife and I were sitting by the tower [I was flying in those days] when, having finished his display and spotted a group of us on the grass by the tower. Buzzed us very, very low, and scared my wife badly.
Sadly it was no surprise to hear that he ended up in a smoking hole at Biggin.

Airclues 16th Feb 2011 21:23

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treadigraph 16th Feb 2011 22:18

Ah, sad that none of the names in that programme are with us any more (save David Brown for the Jet Ranger of whom I know nothing). Presumably the Fourniers were Brian Stevens and David Perrin.

No Rothmans...

JEM60, Don Bullock in the B-17 would have been later, I think it didn't arrive in the UK until about 1975.

India Four Two 17th Feb 2011 09:10

I was at a Booker air display in the late 60s when a BOAC VC-10 and a BEA Trident both made approaches and overshoots before continuing on to Heathrow.

The story I heard was that they were invited to do so, rather than bore holes in the sky in the Garston stack. I cannot imagine that happening today!

I also remember the immortal PA "Would Mr. ....... please return to his Spitfire?"

Georgeablelovehowindia 20th Feb 2011 22:41

The 1968 display, I think, a 707-436 flown by Capt 'Dizzy' Neville, opened the show by an approach to 25, gear down, to a go-around from over the threshold. He then hauled it round and came blasting back at high speed, departing to the east. The Trident, inbound from Brussels, closed the show by cruising gently past, not coming below approx. 1,000 feet above aerodrome level! Fair enough, as it had pax on, unlike the BOAC 707.

Four Jet Provosts (The 'Pelicans'?) flew in and parked before their display. The Red Arrows in Gnats, Sallly 'B,' and Neil Williams, I think, displayed the Jetstream. Featuring also the British Airways Flying Club Cherokee 'Haggis' formation team, led by CFI Hamish Hamilton, for which part of the display I was press-ganged into doing the commentary! I have a Super 8 movie, since transcribed onto video, which will now have to be transcribed onto an even more modern media.

11th July 1971 ... ah yes, I was in Antigua!

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DILLIGAFF 21st Feb 2011 12:02

Made my first ever flight at the 1972 Kings Cup Display at Booker. A circuit in G-AXRN a Humber Airways BN Islander, sat up front next to the pilot. Sure impressed a 13 year old.
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WHBM 21st Feb 2011 12:14


Originally Posted by Georgeablelovehowindia (Post 6259680)
The Trident, inbound from Brussels, closed the show by cruising gently past, not coming below approx. 1,000 feet above aerodrome level! Fair enough, as it had pax on, !

I can recall (alas, dimly) that a pax on the Trident flight wrote a detailed criticism of this which was published in Flight magazine the following week or so. Someone might like to dig the relevant letters page up from their archive.

Garston/Bovingdon would seem to be an unusual stack for an inbound from Brussels in the first place.

Georgeablelovehowindia 21st Feb 2011 17:17

The Trident made its sedate approach from the direction of Henley, so it must've been worked around the zone from Biggin, where it normally would route to on a BRU or GVA.

22/04 21st Feb 2011 18:14

Agree about Biggin from GVA but it would have been Lambourne from BRU.

Before LAM and BNN I think Garston was the hold for everything form the North and Epsom from the South but could be wrong about that.

Can't remember when Garston ceased to be the holding point form the North; pretty sure it was in 1968.

JEM60 21st Feb 2011 18:34

TREADI Yes, you are right, it was later. My punctuation skills failed me on that post, and made it seem as if it was the same display. It wasn't, of course. Cheers.

David Rayment 24th Feb 2011 16:57

Wycombe Air Park Rally September 1971
 
Hi OUAQUKGF - I think we may have been at this one - I brought the Standard 9 along - I have just dug out the negs from this and Leavesden, Teeside, Luton and others. I will now have to buy a film scanner but will post in due course.

Ray

India Four Two 25th Feb 2011 00:02

G-ALHI

Are you sure about Sally B? I left the UK in 1970 and I don't remember seeing or even hearing about any B-17s in the UK.

Georgeablelovehowindia 25th Feb 2011 15:55

Well of course, having searched high and low, I can't lay my hands on the video! However, having watched it - and the Super 8 movie - on numerous occasions, there is a B17 of some description duffing up the tower.

What has come to light is the whole week's recording of 'Airport 86' introduced by Mike Smith and Sarah Greene from LHR. This is from a time when 757s were the latest thing, BA had still not been privatised, Swanwick wasn't even a distant gleam, and Ms Greene had the mandatory big shoulder pads and 'explosion in a candyfloss factory' perm of that era!

:)

OUAQUKGF Ops 25th Feb 2011 18:23

Sending Ray a pm.
 
Just sent you a pm. Rgds T.

treadigraph 25th Feb 2011 22:52

G-ALHI, it's got to be 1976 plus. Saw an article in Flight by Daryl Stinton around then with a view of Sally B at Booker (I think) very close cropping the dasies.

ABUKABOY 26th Feb 2011 12:54

I too was standing along the crowd line circa 1968, and could not believe my eyes as the 707 made its low approach over Booker, and neatly oiled my mother's washing-line along with everybody else's under the approach path. It was REALLY low and quite magnificent! Having been gliding there since 1959, to see this happening at MY little airfield left quite an impression I can tell you! My participation at this Show was flying a Thruxton Jackaroo, (my first and only flight on type), doing knife-edges along the crowd line. As a current Tiger Moth pilot, my only pre-flight briefing was that "it climbs, cruises and crashes at 86 knots, (or was that 68?)". Yes, quite!
The displays were always spectacular and well-supported by the participants, and certainly nothing like it could be contemplated today.
Rather like the tacit approval of John *********, a local CAA Flt Ops inspector present on the field, to thrash the living daylights out of the place one quiet Sunday morning, (23/9/79), as I departed in an Intra DC-3 that I'd parked-up for the weekend to see my parents, quite the highlight of my flying career, and professionally filmed by Charles Lagus. I never did see the film, but would dearly love to, if anyone knows of his whereabouts.
Booker seems to be facing a very uncertain future at the moment with the threat of a massive football stadium and business park, with aviation well and truly sidelined, (or read between the lines........curtailed..........stopped altogether?). Booker residents, be very very careful what you wish for, there will be no repenting at leisure!

Georgeablelovehowindia 26th Feb 2011 15:41

treadigraph: Yes, clearly the 'Sally B' was at a much later display. I'm pretty sure that the 707-436s had gone from BOAC before 1976. Our mutual friend, the late Ken FitzRoy, was flying them for BEA Airtours in 1974.

ABUKAYBOY, I know exactly who you are, and I remember your weekend visit in the Dak.

" ... a local CAA Flt Ops inspector ..." otherwise known as 'The W. Wingco' I presume! The last time I saw him, many years ago, he'd joined the general exodus to White Waltham.

It's a pity about Booker, but it does seem that its great days are over.

bigal1941 26th Feb 2011 16:33

Charles "Chunkie" Lagus
 
I was his assistant around 1964/65 in Film Department at TFS Ealing.Was last in contact 10 years ago when was living in Mauritious in a house on the beach after his retirement. He did have family living locally to me. I would doubt that he would have kept any film from those years. Was it done for the the Beeb or privately ? I wil lmake some enquiries amongst my colleagues as to his whereabouts. Alan

arem 26th Feb 2011 17:13

There were 436's still with us in late '76 - but maybe only 'PFJ - I did my command base training on it - in fact it was still pounding the circuits in Jan77 when I last flew it doing crosswind landings, after which it was all 336B/C's.

G-ALHI - love your user name - it was the aircraft in which I last flew with my father when he was checking out on the Argonaut for Air Links - circuits at LGW - great fun

pax britanica 26th Feb 2011 18:17

A little addition on the 707-436 timeline ,I flew on one on my honeymoon (why I remember it so clearly) to Faro from LHR in late March 77. I think though it may have been borrowed from Airtours due to having HF radio and needing to avoid French ATC or something similar.
Also took an interest as had a friend who was 436 pilot though he may he been on temporary lay off at that time too.
For all thats been said about them at airshows I also remember it for being stunningly noisy inside with those 4 Conways crackling and roaring away . Came back on a Trident 3 which was much nicer to fly on
PB

wigglyamp 26th Feb 2011 18:49

707-436
 
The 436's were definitely still around at BA in March '79 as they were the first aircraft I worked on in TBB when I moved from Cranebank as an apprentice.
Now I work and occasionally fly at Booker!

T6NL 20th Aug 2018 13:10

Have just been trying to do some research on this issue as I was on board a Trident that did a flypast at Booker. Sadly I cannot remember much at all (not even the year) as I was only about 5 at the time! My dad was a manager at BEA then and the flypast flight I went on was specifically launched for the event. It was filled with only staff and their families/friends and everyone knew the purpose of the flight so there was little consternation about a low approach and flypast. The flight was LHR - LHR and that is about all I can remember about it, despite it being the very first time I ever flew. If anyone has any more details, or even a picture, then I would be most interested.

LynxDriver 20th Aug 2018 16:35

Sally B, then painted silver and wearing French registration F-BGSR was shown purporting to be an RAF bomber in a 1971 episode of the A Family at War TV series. No idea where the scenes were filmed but given the budget the series had to work with, I feel sure it would have been in the UK somewhere.

India Four Two 20th Aug 2018 20:22

Thread drift.

T6NL, let me guess - you used to be a Hawk driver?

browndhc2 21st Aug 2018 07:53

I remember seeing a picture of a DC 3 captioned as being taken at Wycombe Air Park in the back of Flight International from the 8Th March 1980. Its an arty shot tail on taken into the setting sun. You can just make out the big I of Intra's final livery on the fin. Thanks to ABUKAYBOY I now know why the Dak was in Buckinghamshire, The remaining piece of the jigsaw is which Dak of the JY fleet was it?

TheAirMission 15th Oct 2020 23:11


Originally Posted by OUAQUKGF Ops (Post 6250629)
Anybody remember the splendid Air Displays at Booker in the late sixties early seventies? I recall at one show seeing a BEA Trident (was it inbound to Heathrow from Brussels?) doing a super fly-past. I understand some of the pax were NOT AMUSED! Gosh and then there were the Red Arrows going hell for leather in their Gnats - they blew all my Ian Allan stuff and binos off the top of my minivan pulling out from the bomb-burst. Ray Hanna in a Spitfire in the days when Spitfires were still a novelty and a Vulcan too if my memory serves me right.

Chaps I attach a photo of what you have may have been discussing, found in one of the 000s of my dad's aviation photos. Does anyone know an exact date?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....750bf28254.jpg

David Thompson 15th Oct 2020 23:26


Originally Posted by TheAirMission (Post 10905401)
Chaps I attach a photo of what you have may have been discussing, found in one of the 000s of my dad's aviation photos. Does anyone know an exact date?

I don't know the date but I do know that's a VC-10 and not a Trident but it is a superb photograph !

Bergerie1 16th Oct 2020 05:23

Is that real or a fake?

bean 16th Oct 2020 06:20


Originally Posted by Bergerie1 (Post 10905489)
Is that real or a fake?

If you'd seen the VC10 at White Waltham you would't think it was a fake!!!

DaveReidUK 16th Oct 2020 06:41


Originally Posted by bean (Post 10905501)
If you'd seen the VC10 at White Waltham you would't think it was a fake!!!

That doesn't follow.

TheAirMission 16th Oct 2020 07:20


Originally Posted by David Thompson (Post 10905405)
I don't know the date but I do know that's a VC-10 and not a Trident but it is a superb photograph !

Ah, spot on. I have been searching the internet to find a date of when this happened and somehow came across this forum post so quickly put two and two together. (I still don't know the date, mind.)


Originally Posted by Bergerie1 (Post 10905489)
Is that real or a fake?

Why would I post a fake!
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....80afd4fdb.jpeg

Bergerie1 16th Oct 2020 09:20

Sorry!! Who was flying it? Does anyone know?

treadigraph 16th Oct 2020 11:10

TheAirMission, super pic - at first glance I thought it was an RC model! - and I can only assume the ground drops away where the aircraft is flying. It must be nearly 40 years since I last visited Booker... As a witness to the White Waltham flypasts I am sad I didnt get to see this one too!

Any chance of posting a few of the other pics from the day?

TheAirMission 16th Oct 2020 17:42


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 10905648)
TheAirMission, super pic - at first glance I thought it was an RC model! - and I can only assume the ground drops away where the aircraft is flying. It must be nearly 40 years since I last visited Booker... As a witness to the White Waltham flypasts I am sad I didnt get to see this one too!

Any chance of posting a few of the other pics from the day?

Cheers, from my father's albums. I will get round to the other photos but the problem is that they are heavily scratched, and the photo above took almost 2 hours to get rid. Keep an eye on here and I'll upload them hopefully over the next week or so. I'll quote you so maybe you get notified.

Self loading bear 16th Oct 2020 20:39


Originally Posted by TheAirMission (Post 10905524)
Ah, spot on. I have been searching the internet to find a date of when this happened and somehow came across this forum post so quickly put two and two together. (I still don't know the date, mind.)


Why would I post a fake!
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....80afd4fdb.jpeg

If you post the other photos, I think we (Fellow Ppruners) can come up with the date.
G-AWPZ with a white red tail,
G-AVJO in camel.
a Jet Provost

treadigraph 16th Oct 2020 21:29

Cheers TAM

I seem to recall the Andreasson BA-4 was owned and displayed by Peter Phillips for many years though I can't recall seeing him fly it - Islanders and the Firecracker yes.


TheAirMission 16th Oct 2020 22:16


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10905925)
If you post the other photos, I think we (Fellow Ppruners) can come up with the date.
G-AWPZ with a white red tail,
G-AVJO in camel.
a Jet Provost

Using the Scramble Database of show reports I have deduced it was July 1969. Only way I know this is because the other aircraft come up on the show report. The VC-10 mysteriously doesn't!


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