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aviate1138 21st Aug 2012 09:43

My Old Man helped build Wellingtons at Brooklands then Smith's Lawn [Pressurised Wimpeys I think] and dammit I can no longer prise [very reluctantly from him] any info about Vickers/Barnes Wallis/Wellingtons/Warwicks and Windsor Prototypes. It took nearly 35 years to find out he was saved from injury by being in between two massive American lathes when bombs were dropped one lunchtime.

I would love to see a Wellington airborne again, replica notwithstanding.

I remember being in the garden of our house in the Avenue Sunbury on Thames and seeing a very low flyby of a Wellington with very little canvas aft of the Port wing trailing edge and some strips trailing behind the tailplane fluttering in the breeze. Heading for Heston or Feltham Air Park I expect. About 1943 Late Spring.

Exciting times for young lads back then.

BrianJC 3rd Jun 2014 00:15

Pilot
 
Just a tidbit of information.
June 2nd 2014. Barrie, Ontario (McDonbalds) :-).
Vet was sat there at 06:00 in his uniform. Chatted to him. He was Flt. Lt. George Mitchell and was one of the Windsor pilots for Barnes Wallis.
He also flew on the 3 Tirpitz raids with Number 9 Squadron.

GQ2 3rd Jun 2014 14:10

Reality-Check.
 
Frankly, I just can't see this happening, and doubtless those who have raised this in this forum will be the same as those who have raised this elsewhere on the web. It's not impossible, it's just not feasible or realistic financially. End of. It'd be very expensive to build, operate and hangar. If it did happen, realistically-speaking, it'd need to be a 'rebuild' anyway, but it's pretty pointless speculating, as no one is going to fund it. Too much money, - too little fun.
Don't forget, we have lost REAL Sunderland's and Mosquito's because no one in the UK wanted to fund them.....!!!

IFPS man 3rd Jun 2014 16:34

Windsor aircraft
 
BrianJC
Sorry to put a dampner on your post re the veteran who flew the Windsor for Barnes Wallis. I have a listing of all flights undertaken by the three aircraft (DW506, DW512 & NK136) but there is no mention of a pilot of that name flying/working for BW. Did he mention where he was stationed?

regards

IFPSman

Shaggy Sheep Driver 3rd Jun 2014 19:07

The group that built A1 Pacific 'Tornado' were a hard-headed bunch, with professional legal, business, and financial folk leading it (not just steam-heads!). They are about to commence a Gresley P2, and I expect it'll be running before too long.

But a Wellington? Why? And what would you do with it? As has been said, could you construct a business plan to justify the cost?

If it's to be done 'just for fun' with no business case for it to 'wash its face', then I'd think a Wellington would be well down most aviation enthusiast's list. It's not attractive, it didn't excel, it was wobbly and flexible. It was soon outclassed.

Simplythebeast 3rd Jun 2014 19:16

We need a Beverley!

Herod 3rd Jun 2014 20:13

There is a Beverley, so it's not too late. Just needs a few million to get it back in flying condition.

chevvron 3rd Jun 2014 21:38

Aviate1138: I'm aware of the assembly of Wimpeys at Smith's Lawn, but where did construction of the parts take place? Years ago I read a book called 'Beneath the City Streets' which mentioned an underground aircraft factory under Wentworth Golf Course which as you're probably aware, isn't too far from Smith's Lawn, so could it have been there?
(Thinks - purely imaginary - if you could find the entrance to this factory, would you find tooling/jigs/parts still there?)

Wander00 4th Jun 2014 08:06

.............or even a complete Wellington perhaps....hat, coat............

IFPS man 4th Jun 2014 12:45

SSD (and others
 
The Wellington was the mainstay of BC from day 1 of WW2, until the first of the 4-engined "heavies", the Stirling, entered service in January 1941. The re-hashed manchester aka the lancaster, didn't enter service until February 1942.
The Wellington was the only British-built bomber to see continuous service throughout WW2, and was in continuous production (over 11,000 built) from the late 1930's until October 1945. By comparison, there were only 7300 or so lancasters produced.
By and large, the Wellington was under-rated - it was the only viable means of attacking Germany to any degree AT THAT TIME. Give it the recognition it deserved........
Andy IFPSman

chevvron 4th Jun 2014 13:05

And it was still in service in the '50s.

Fareastdriver 4th Jun 2014 13:44

I believe that the Mosquitos produced in New Zealand are not allowed to fly in the UK even with an original data plate.

They haven't been built with the original glue.

Wander00 4th Jun 2014 14:02

That will be the Campaign Against Aviation, will it? Use better modern glues, and probably more stable timber, but you cannot fly it because it won't fall apart as quickly...........simples.........

Phileas Fogg 4th Jun 2014 14:20

My mother worked on Wellingtons ... Amazing, simply amazing, how Britain managed to win the war :)

Phileas Fogg 4th Jun 2014 14:35


The Wellington was the only British-built bomber to see continuous service throughout WW2
Ahem :)

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../7/1391707.jpg

Herod 4th Jun 2014 14:46


And it was still in service in the '50s.
Whenever I mentioned (probably too often) the Varsity to the young airline FOs, I would be met with blank stares. Referring to it as "an aluminium-skinned Wellington, with a nosewheel" didn't get much further. No sense of history. Mind you, they probably knew all about the Vikings and Henry VIII.

IFPS man 4th Jun 2014 16:24

PF
 
Talking land-based RAF bombers here, not puddle jumpers....

Shaggy Sheep Driver 4th Jun 2014 16:34


(over 11,000 built) from the late 1930's until October 1945. By comparison, there were only 7300 or so lancasters produced.
Well, you could read so much into that...

They started building Wellingtons a lot earlier than Lancs so 'course there were more made (I'd have expected the difference to be greater given the Lanc's late arrival in comparison).

So many crashed (EFATO was often fatal) that they had to be replaced.

The Lanc was far more effective so fewer were needed.

The Lanc was a far more sophisticated bomber so took longer to produce.

Etc, etc.

It's a bit like the old saw that BoB was won by the Hurricane, not the Spit since far more of the former took part. True, but only because the RAF didn't have enough Spits at that time!

Sorry, the Wellington was 'all we had', but that doesn't make it particularly good.

ZeBedie 4th Jun 2014 17:28

How did the Wellington compare with the He111? Range, bomb load, speed, cruising altitude?

javelinfaw9 4th Jun 2014 21:40

Not a Bomber
 
Sorry but that TSR2 is a strike aircraft:O


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