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ozbeowulf 14th Sep 2009 21:20

Well, that will teach me to sleep while I have a challenge running...

The aircraft is, indeed, the L-40 Meta Sokol, complete with that unusual landing gear configuration. If anyone has flown one, I'd love to hear about the recommended landing technique.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...1194878167.jpg

If I follow the busy overnight (to me) thread correctly, Simon has deferred to g21agoose.

You have control.

Glenn

TheTruthWillSetUFree 14th Sep 2009 21:32

Respectfully, I pass........................;

ozbeowulf 16th Sep 2009 00:04

Just in case my confirmation of the Meta Sokol was unclear, g21agoose now has control.

Please post when ready....

Glenn

ozbeowulf 16th Sep 2009 20:50

This is getting a bit ridiculous.

Assuming that g21agoose has morphed into TheTruthWillSetUFree, who has declined, I'll make an arbitrary decision to keep the thread flowing.

It's OPEN HOUSE. Somebody post something.

(Wanders off muttering to himself.....)

Glenn

Noyade 16th Sep 2009 22:29


It's OPEN HOUSE. Somebody post something.
Here's something...

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8234/yes9803461.jpg

sycamore 17th Sep 2009 21:06

Looks All-American,possibly Navy,piston, trainer,possibly trike,possibly T-28?

Noyade 17th Sep 2009 21:24


Looks All-American,possibly Navy,piston,
G'day sycamore. "Yes" to the above. There was also a trainer version but the two-place shown above has no flight controls in the back seat as his job was observer/radar operator. Space was limited so the radar pod was carried on one of the bomb racks.

Although prop driven the original plan was for a composite powered machine, supplemented with a Westinghouse jet engine.

First flight was in 1947 and a large one-piece canopy covered both cockpits.

S'land 17th Sep 2009 23:06

Curtiss XBTC / XBT2C?

Noyade 17th Sep 2009 23:25

Sorry Richard, but not a Curtiss product, however the company responsible did build floats for Curtiss, in fact they were the leading manufacturer of all-metal pontoons.

sycamore 17th Sep 2009 23:26

Awkay,ya colloquial fella, I guess ya meen it`s the Daglas BTD -1 Destroya, or the XBTD-2 wiv ah jit engin( all said with the well-known colonies accent,purely for effect,please wear a trilby with corks hanging orff to complete the effect,whilst slugging on a tin of that well-known kangaroo-£%&s,F*&^%s)- before breakfast.....hic !! If it is =Open house ,if not,just going outside to throw up......Syc,syc...(all in jest !!)

Noyade 17th Sep 2009 23:37


,if not,just going outside to throw up......Syc,syc...
Be careful, it must be dark outside! Don't trip! :)

Noyade 17th Sep 2009 23:59


Although prop driven the original plan was for a composite powered machine, supplemented with a Westinghouse jet engine.
Hmm...maybe us colonials do have a language problem? Has this line sent you on a fruitless search? They did have a whimsical plan to stick a jet engine in this floatplane but they didn't. Not enough room.

Gotta go. Have to chuck another wombat on barby.

g21agoose 18th Sep 2009 17:08


Assuming that g21agoose has morphed into TheTruthWillSetUFree, who has declined, I'll make an arbitrary decision to keep the thread flowing.

It's OPEN HOUSE. Somebody post something.

(Wanders off muttering to himself.....)

Glenn
Apologies- I deferred my 'win.'

Sorry, I had to go to work in the Collins equipped...................

Noyade 18th Sep 2009 20:46

This has ground to halt and needs to end. It was/is the EDO XOSE-2. Open house.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/473/33565341.jpg
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2826/edo1.jpg

Agaricus bisporus 18th Sep 2009 21:28

Oh yes, back agan! An easy one this time - surely?

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...us/cockpit.jpg

GROSSER 20th Sep 2009 06:51

AS355F-1 - Single Pilot IFR

Agaricus bisporus 23rd Sep 2009 18:45

Sorry guys - don't know what happened to my reply of 3 days ago.

Of course it is - chapter and verse.

Over.

Mr_Grubby 28th Sep 2009 08:15

Happy Birthday.
 
Four years ago today, I started this thread.

Never thought it would still be going this long !
Well done guys.

Clint.:ok:

BSD 28th Sep 2009 09:18

Mr. Grubby,

Always an amusing thread. Great fun to try and guess some of the types.

As GROSSER hasn't celebrated his victory, I hope he won't mind if I post this to keep things going.

When the challenge is correctly guessed, I'l then defer to GROSSER so that he can put up a challenge.

This one (remarkably after 4 years) doesn't appear to have been on before.

I'm sure it won't last too long though.

BSD.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...bwa/BKK001.jpg

sycamore 28th Sep 2009 12:13

Something Russian;An-12 ?

Ridge Runner 28th Sep 2009 12:27

AN-28????????

BSD 28th Sep 2009 12:53

It was indeed Russian.

BSD.

bingofuel 29th Sep 2009 20:48

Ilyushin Il-62M (hope I spelt it correctly)

BSD 29th Sep 2009 21:14

Absolutely right! An IL-62M it is.

Got on board the aeroplane in Bangkok (many years ago) when it parked beside us. The aeroplane on the stand on the other side was a green and gold B727 that belonged to Malcolm Forbes emblazoned with the name"Capitalist tool"

Nice contrast!

BSD.

bingofuel 30th Sep 2009 08:31

Thanks, can I offer 'open house' for the next one.

evansb 30th Sep 2009 22:33

Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r.../WCP090930.jpg

MReyn24050 30th Sep 2009 23:31

Latest List of Challenge Cockpits published.
 
I have up dated the list. See What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists Sticky above.
Mel

sycamore 1st Oct 2009 12:28

I do like the `champagne` coolers for the pilots,the bags of sweets for clearing inquisitive kids,and the organ players knobs for in -flight entertainment; on second thoughts ,might it be an airship ?

evansb 2nd Oct 2009 15:51

If it is indeed champagne, the vintage was probably a very good year.
The cockpit was later modified with an all-weather enclosure. The craft was capable of water operations.

evansb 3rd Oct 2009 16:29

More clues: This particular craft was designated 4th, and last of the series. Built in the early 1920s, it flew until 1940.

India Four Two 4th Oct 2009 13:19

bri,

Is this a blimp or semi-rigid with ballonets? American?

evansb 4th Oct 2009 16:20

Yes, it is an American blimp.

Agaricus bisporus 4th Oct 2009 17:46

Aah, Mr Evans, the clues do it again, though the Champagne one puzzles me. Probably the greatest Champagne vintage ever was 1928, but this thing was retired/cancelled in 1924, depending on which ship it was.?

Clearly a twin Engined airship from the photo, using, as I42 said, ballonets.

4 variants, amphib, weatherproofed cabin, struck off in 1940 makes this one of the USN's Goodyear built J Class Blimp.

The example shown is either J1 or J2 - identical ships. J3 used a different car, and J4 had J2's modified enclosed car.

J class blimp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

N'est-ce-pas?

Agaricus bisporus 4th Oct 2009 18:25

http://www.airshipventures.com/img/h...02photo-10.jpg


http://www.airshipventures.com/img/h...009photo-8.jpg

Here's our friend the J4 with the enclosed cabin and clearly boat-bottomed car.

And further to my above, the pic that evansb posted resides on this same website too, intriguingly labelled the J4 car and dated 1933, (J4 withdrawn 1940). According to my understanding of the info available Wiki says the J4 should have the enclosed modified ex J2 car (J2 canx 1924 upon failure of J1), or maybe J4 flew for a while with the unmodified car; either way, a fascinating insight into a llittle known aspect of aviation history.

For info, the fellow on the right was the "Rudderman" while his colleague on the left was the "Elevatorman" and evidently had the throttles too. I wonder who was in charge, and what the Champagne bottles did? What price MCC courses back then? Sounds like desperately hard work to me, and no wonder the thing was a bitch to control with a ballonet pump the size of a washing machine motor - imagine the control lag, and the pickle - PIOs - you'd get into by mistiming ditching those bags of lead shot if it got away from you! ...And what did that gigantic trim(?) wheel between the seats do? Haul a half ton of pig-iron to and fro to balance the brute? And to think I got within a gnat's gnadgers of doing an Airship conversion once. Yikes!!!

Nice one, Mr E!

Agaricus bisporus 4th Oct 2009 19:08

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...extcockpit.jpg

Many aircraft have been dubbed "Queen of the Skies" but this one richly deserves it.

Curiously, it was from this type that I came so close to discovering all about ballast and ballonets, but that is not strictly relevant here.

aviate1138 5th Oct 2009 05:21

The poor chap seems to have a bad case of Rhododendron fungal "Bud Blast"! Or Pycnostysanus azalae.

Is it one of those Caspian Sea Monsters? WIGE

BSD 5th Oct 2009 07:41

Aggers,

Neat photo.

For the craft: an S-61 would be my guess.

However, haven't a clue who the bearded wonder is, but with a bottle of bubbly at stake it deserves a good deal of thought.

Cockpit appears to have Decca. A shirt-sleeve operation, with an airline style uniform, and blue shirts. Hmmmmm. The BCAL LHR-LGW link of a few years ago perhaps?

Cheers! (possibly in anticipation!)

BSD.

Agaricus bisporus 5th Oct 2009 10:40

BSD, I didn't think this would last long, though I removed the "other" offer shortly after posting as I didn't think it relevant to this thread.

OK, S61, yes; shirtsleeve, no way though your logic - and the company - is absolutely spot-on. Well done indeed!

A British Caledonian Helis crew on an IR training sortie ex Aberdeen, just for once not in a rubber goon suit.

All yours, pal!

ps, anyone able to tell me how to pixellate a photo without using a fungal airbrush?

BSD 5th Oct 2009 12:06

Thilled to have worked it out, but have to offer it to an "open house" as I've just checked the photo I had lined up to find it has been done.

Shame about the earlier (withdrawn) offer though!

BSD.

India Four Two 5th Oct 2009 13:59

For AB
 

And what did that gigantic trim(?) wheel between the seats do?
Perhaps if you had done the airship rating you would have discovered that the "trim" wheel was the pitch control :-)

So obviously the Elevatorman, with all the important controls - pitch, power, ballonet pump and ballast, was the Captain - in the left seat as is proper. And the Rudderman would have been an enlisted man, to whom the Captain could give appropriately nautical orders: "Midships", "Steady as she goes", "Make your heading Northwest by North", etc.

I would still like to know about the Champagne bottles. bri?


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