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twochai 31st May 2008 19:39

I must have forgotten the number of wing struts: your photo clearly shows one massive lift strut, two bracing struts outboard, one bracing strut inboard as well the wide chord landing gear strut fairing. All the drag created by those struts probably exceeded whatever efficiencies were gained by the very high aspect ratio wing.

pigboat 31st May 2008 21:05

That aircraft should be placarded:

In the event of the loss of one engine on this aircraft, the second engine will take you to the scene of the accident. :E

twochai 31st May 2008 22:40

The original HD34 had more wing span and less power than the PBY parked beside it! It was a contest for the 'most underpowered aircraft' trophy!

pigboat 1st Jun 2008 01:25

Twochai, back during the construction days of the QNS&L-RR, Hollinger Ungava operated a PB, CF-DIK, along with the DC-3's. One day both the Canso and one of the DC-3's were going into Knob Lake around the same time. The -3 was below the Canso and was overtaking them, when the Captain - can't remember who it was, probably George Humphries - looked down and saw the DC-3. He firewalled the throttles, dove the Canso and overtook them, and as he went by he feathered the left engine. Somebody on the DC-3 snapped a picture of the Canso going by the DC-3 with a prop feathered. I'd love to get my hands on a copy of that pic. :D

twochai 1st Jun 2008 02:46

Altitude wins, every time, particularly in a pigboat! :D


OK, let's get back on topic, here's my challenge once again. Clue: it does not have a high aspect ratio!

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/WC5.jpg[/IMG]

ICT_SLB 1st Jun 2008 03:49

Looks like a Sundstrand HUD on a four-engined aircraft so YC-17? In the unlikely event I'm right it's open house as I'm away from home.

aviate1138 1st Jun 2008 07:22

Boeing YC-14 a possibility?

Daysleeper 1st Jun 2008 07:40

I like the McD YC-15 - 4 engines, and avionics mix of original early 70's and mid 90's when one was put back into service but the overhead windows don't look right.

India Four Two 1st Jun 2008 10:32

The cockpit glazing and overhead throttles looked vaguely flying boat like, but who would fit EFIS and a HUD to a flying boat? It is also clearly a flight test aircraft, with the extra instrumentation and the special right seat yoke.

The big side windows looked vaguely familiar and then I remembered. None of your Boeing and MD rubbish - it's de Havilland Canada :ok:, although admittedly Americanized. ;)

Specifically it's the highly modified C-8A Buffalo NASA/AMES QSRA aircraft N715NA. Pictures here http://dhc4and5.org/Buffalo9.html

twochai 1st Jun 2008 12:41

Well, the Buffalo, YC-14, YC-15 each have relevance, as does the C-17! However India Four Two is the only one to get it exactly right. :D

QSRA (Quiet STOL Research Aircraft) was one of the Buffalo prototypes modified by Boeing with a new wing, Lycoming LF502 turbofans (leftovers from the Canadair Challenger development program, in fact) and all new flight control system.

The QSRA proved the Upper Surface Blown (USB) aerodynamic concepts which enabled the Boeing YC-14, which lost out to McDD with the YC-15 in the competition for the C-17 airlifter. Of course, Boeing won out in the end when they later bought McDD for peanuts - the C-17 contract was the best asset on the books!

The QSRA was a contemporary of the deHavilland designed, RR Pegasus engined augmentor wing research aircraft which, while arguably more efficient from an aero perspective, was anything but quiet as a prototype (think, two Harriers in formation)!!

Over to you India Four Two, you have the wheel.

India Four Two 1st Jun 2008 14:07

Thanks, twochai.

To be fair, Boeing built a new wing for the QSRA, so it's an early example of NAFTA co-operation ;)

Here's one that I am surprised we haven't seen before.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...pit1June08.jpg

twochai 1st Jun 2008 14:22

Well, its the Dash 7, of course!

You can't get away that easily, India Four Two. Must try harder!

India Four Two 1st Jun 2008 14:37

twochai,

I said I was surprised it hadn't been done before and we have to get all the easy ones off the table!

Show us what you've got!

twochai 1st Jun 2008 14:44

OK, OK, OK, I can't stand it when people avoid responsibility!:}

Here's another easy one that I'm very surprised has not been covered. No comment on the wing's aspect ratio.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...ockpit0530.jpg[/IMG]

norwich 1st Jun 2008 20:38

Well Twochai, It is the Antonov AN 22 Antei, I say confidently !!!! Keith.

twochai 1st Jun 2008 23:21

What took you so long, Keith?? In fact I believe it should be Anthaeus, as it is only singular but, what the hell, we'll let it go!!

You have the helm.

norwich 1st Jun 2008 23:59

Thank you Twochai, I think this will be another of my "nano seconds" posts ?? but hey, lets see, I must be in bed very soon, so I may be gone for some time !! Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...pits/cop29.jpg

evansb 2nd Jun 2008 14:45

No offers? I think it is a ZLIN 142.

norwich 2nd Jun 2008 15:33

Evansb, I know you are correct !! Welll done, this thread is on rapide fire at the moment, so let us have on to think about please ? Keith

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...me/zlin142.jpg

evansb 2nd Jun 2008 17:20

Thanks Keith. Here is the next challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r.../WCP080602.jpg


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