Carvair Written Off
 

I have just read on AB-IX that Carvair N898AT was wrecked at a short mining strip in Alaska in an undershoot accident on 30th May.

That only leaves one in flying condition.

Good to see the crew are OK, sad about the A/C though.

Not for the faint-hearted :sad:

http://www.oldwings.nl/content/n898at/n898at.htm

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Quick, preserve the last one (where be she?). Fond memories of Plain Jane and A N Other operating ad hoc freight services from LHR and LGW in the 1970s... sigh...

How much do you get paid to put a Carvair, a DC6, a DC4 or a CASA (presumably 212) into 460m? - and out again if you're lucky.

BS

(see post #2)

NTSB reports r/w length approx. 4200 ft, elevation 1510 ft.

Was that an ex Ansett Airlines Carvair?

Sadly yes. The former VH-INK.

Sad end to a work horse

Eastern Provincial Airways had a similar accident in 1968 with a Carvair at he old Twin Falls airport in Western Labrador. They undershot the 4500-foot gravel strip and wrote the gear off, then came back around and bellied it in. I can't remember the registration, CF-EPX or EPW probably.

Whats a Carvair?
 

Answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpV_K-iWAVM

Canadian Carvair was CF-EPU on Sept. 28, 1968 at Twin Falls with 2 fatalities. As per: http://www.baaa-acro.com/Types%20d%2...r%20ATL-98.htm

>>>Answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpV_K-iWAVM

Blimey - not exactly a sparkly rate of climb.......sure it wasn't an A340?:8

Was that the video framing or did he lose Number 4?

Gosh, I had to watch it again (and again just to be sure!).

I think it is just the framing, number three's blades can just about be seen as well. I was trying to work out if they had any flaps set - hard to tell.

Think I might just have to take another look - that wonderful noise just as it is abeam the camera... You just can't beat old recips...

Yes - I thought so too, but Fairbanks in September - even with a half-dozen dumper trucks on board I would have hoped it would have climbed a liitle more..........................:eek:..unless, of course, he was 'holding it down'? I thought I could see number 1 'freeze-framing' as well. I guess all four were 'humming'.

I would like a penny for each time I have flown in one. Mainly from
Southend in the 60s.

Sometimes on schedules, sometimes on airtests and crew training.

I worked with BUAF in those days, Southend's apron in the early mornings
echoed to the sound of four or five Carvairs being warmed up before the start of the day's services.

I hope at least one is preserved, if only as a fitting memorial to Freddie Laker.

By my reckoning their is still one in the USA and one in South Africa.

whereabouts ?

N89FA which I think is based in Texas. The last time I saw a photograph of it was in a magazine last year taking off with dozens of freefall parachutists on board.

My father carried out the first flight of VH-INK on October 27th 1965 and flew it the following day.

There was a photo in Flight International of either "INJ" or "INK" on handover to Ansett. (Can never find the photo when you're looking for it - I'll keep looking).

Anyone know when it would have first flown before the ATL conversion? Just curious when it first got airborne as a DC-4. Presumably from Long Beach....

From an old Air-Britain history of the DC-4:

c/n 42994 Delivered to SAS/DNL as LN-IAE "Olav Viking" 24.6.46
To Japan Air Lines as JA-6012 Mikasa" 27.10.56
To Korean as HL-4003
To Ansett - ANA as VH-INK 22.4.64 after overhaul in Hong Kong
To Stansted 25.6.65 for conversion to ATL 98 Carvair (c/n 20)

Takes anorak off again!

P.S. The book also says that most were built in Santa Monica although some of the military C-54s were built in Chicago.

wait a minute ... I *think* there was one at Gainesville KGLE not so long ago

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gur...rvairsmall.JPG
Ostend 1963. LX-IOH
Clint.

I wonder if the Carvair design sowed a seed in someone's mind at Boeing when the 747 was being planned...

r

I think this one has precedence: The Budd RB-1 "Conestoga":

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contri...rkins/3768.jpg

(photo: Ol' buddy Bill Larkins)

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gur...rvairsmall.JPG
Southend 1973.
Sorry about the poor quality. I was an ATCO there in '73 and did quite a few trips with BAF. The Carvair was an amazing aircraft. You could hold a party in the cockpit there was so much space behind the flight crew.
Clint.

Carvair
 

This is what they looked like before people started bouncing them off the ground!!! all that hard work, no consideration some people .

I was at Stansted in the sixties !!!!!

:confused: how do you add a picture please

As a policeman in 1972 I knicked two males for stealing aviation fuel out of one of these aircraft at STN. The hangar I believe was TMAC and the a/c 'Fat Albert' or is the name my imagination.

Just to elaborate on JW411s post 515 C-54s were manufactured in Santa Monica, CA and 655 were manufactured in Chicago, Illinois. Douglas built 1,241 of the DC-4s and its military counterparts.

I checked this weekend and there is one parked on the airport at KGLE, (Gainesville Texas). It had a yellow stripe down the side.

carvair
 

Thanks for the help with the picture posting I just hope it works otherwise this is going to look a bit daft.

This was taken 1961, when I worked for A.T.L. Hanger 1 at Stansted

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...s/carvair5.jpg

Looking at that photo oldshuck, why does the name Linda Lovelace come to mind??

Must be something to do with age ????

You could well be right!!!

Carvair on Youtube
 

I found this on Youtube:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fpV_K-iWAVM

It seems that this Spring/Summer another Carvair book will be published.
http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.p...-0-7864-3670-5 has more details. The price isn't exactly cheap though!

Saw one at Rand Airport, Jo'burg, South Africa 2 years ago. Thing it belongs to the PHOEBUS operation there.

For Kiwis they might remember her as former ZK-NWA which I flew with in 1979.

Some call them ugly but i love the old Carvairs.

Here's the Nationwide fleet:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64194215@N00/2290856758/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64194215@N00/2290856758/

Carvair book
 

I was, for a while, in correspondence with Patrick with respect some of BAF's Carvair operations. I did supply numerous photos, and copies of various chastising memos, regarding engines operation etc from Mike Keegan and information with regards G-AREK operations in the Gulf. Unfortunately I "disappeared" for a while, (No, not jail), and was unable to return his e-mails requesting permission to publish my input. He does have a lot of very good information from various sources and in that respect I would expect the book to be quite interesting.

Patrick, if you are by some remote chance reading this, contact me via PM, I do not have your e-mail address anymore................I can remember the first bit, it's after the @ that escapes my memory.

In fact I still have a genuine ATL-98a Carvair Flight manual, complete with C-54 tech manuals and Carvair Tech supplements. A fine aircraft.