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Tartan Giant 21st Oct 2006 23:41

Malayan Airways DC-3
 
Hi Chaps,
Can anybody tell me please the date Malayan Airways got their first DC-3?
I can only guess it was between Aug and Dec 1947.
I know they had three Airspeed Consols up to late 1947; the first service operated by a Consol on the 1st May 1947.
The original registration was G-AIKY, and was delivered on the 9th March 1947, and later re-registered as VR-SCD in mid April 1947.
Two more Consuls were acquired thereafter but their service was short lived. VR-SCE crash landed on a road at Tronob - later written off at the end of 1947. The other one was VR-SCF which was sold to Air France in late 1947. So in between lies the answer!
Many thanks in advance:ok: .
Cheers
TG

evansb 22nd Oct 2006 15:58

According to www.berlin-spotter.de/airlines/sia.htm Malayan Airways received their initial batch of three DC-3s in November, 1947. In 1949, a further three DC-3s were added to the fleet.

postcard: http://www.postcardpost.com/ap725.jpg

Tartan Giant 22nd Oct 2006 19:02

Thank You
 
Thank you very much evansb:D

That's the sort of definitive answer I required........... cheers:ok:

ATB

TG

PS: Can you please check that Berlin-Spotter link......... she no worky!

evansb 22nd Oct 2006 19:13

try http://www.berlin-spotter.de/

Cheers! :)

Tartan Giant 22nd Oct 2006 19:23

Ahhh!
 
Ahhh!
You have me at a disadvantage........ my German is not up to much I'm afraid:O .

Can you direct me please to the section where it amplifies the DC-3 query:ok:

Cheers

TG

chris keeping 24th Oct 2006 03:15

Malayan Airways DC3
 
Nice to see someone else has an interest in Malayan Airways DC3's. I have always had an interest in their fleet of DC3's, which probably is as a result of childhood memories flying on their DC3's when I was growing up in Malaya in the 50's. I particularly remember them at Kuantan Airport. I am currently building a Nick Zirolli DC3 to 1/5 scale, and yes I intend to finish it in Malayan Airways colours. I obtained several photos of their DC3's some four years ago from a guy based in England who runs a business dealing in old photographs of aircraft, at the moment I cannot recall his particulars, but he is on the web.

828a 25th Oct 2006 10:43

chris keeping:
I'm also interested in Malayan Airways DC3s (flew them for 10 happy years). Unfortunately one does not hear very much about this pioneer company that is both mother and father of Singapore Airlines. If you are into detail for your model then you may care to consider the following:
(1) Between 1955 and 1965 Malayan Airways had eleven (11) DC3s on line. They were VR-SCG, VR-SCC, VR-SDD, VR-SCQ, VR-SCM, VR-SCW, VR-SCR, VR-SCP, VR-SDH, VR-SCN, VR-SCO. Each aircraft was named after a bird and the name corresponded with the last letter of the registration. It was written on both sides of the nose at the rear mid-point of the pilot's sliding window more or less behind each pilot's head. (I can only remember VR-SDD which was "Drake" and VR-SDH "Heron". I think VR-SCO was "Osprey").
(2) Rudder fabric was grey as opposed to the fin which was white.
(3) The tiger's head had exactly eight (8) whiskers all shown as black dots on the tiger's upper lip.
(4) The union jack was on all aircraft directly above the registration on the fin.
(5) The registration mark was also written in large letters on the upper surface of the right wing.
(6) Max take off weights were written (block printed) on the left side of the fuselage just ahead of the tailplane leading edge as "passenger 27,000 lbs" "cargo 29,000 lbs".
(7) The tiger's head had a five pointed star located within the MAL logo.
(8) The propellers were paddle blades (not toothpicks) with yellow tips but the yellow was darker than the yellow stripe along the fuselage.
If there is anything else you would like to know such as the names of the crews including the girls then send me a private message. I don't mind in the least recalling what I consider to be halcyon days.
828a

chris keeping 26th Oct 2006 19:38

Malayan Airways DC3s
 
Thanks for that info 82A. I have just sent you a private message.

Tartan Giant 26th Oct 2006 19:57

When was the DC-3 'on-line'?
 
Hi 828a,

Many thanks for the additional 'gen':ok:

Can you tell me please, the date of the first passenger flights with the DC-3 on the line?

Captain Arthur Larkman's book "Chance Encounters" does not give the dates.

Cheers

TG

828a 27th Oct 2006 10:55

Tartan Giant:
I'm sorry to say I can't tell you the date of the first DC3 passenger flight online as I joined in 1955 (as a very very junior inexperienced first officer) and the DC3 operation was well established by then. Also I can't identify the crew in the photograph as it is pre 1955. The uniform style is the give away. I am sending a copy of the photograph to an old timer who was there before me and he remembers that uniform so it will be interesting to see what he says.
Captain Arthur Larkman left Malayan Airways at the same time as I joined so I can't claim to have known him. However I remember many of the captains speaking very highly of him and I wish I had known him. I particularly would like to get his book "Chance Encounters" (which I did not know about) and have checked through both Amazon Books and Abe Books and they don't have it. Could you tell me of any other second hand booksellers in the UK especially who might have a copy. Did you know there is one other book in circulation that speaks of Malayan Airways. It is "Luck is No Accident" by Captain Colin King who also flew DC3s there in 1960s. There is a chapter in the book devoted to Malayan Airways operations and it makes for very interesting reading.
Regards
828a

Tartan Giant 27th Oct 2006 12:10

Thanks anyway
 
Hi 828a
Thanks for the reply.......... you were there at a splendid time egh!
Pity you missed Arthur though...... lovely fellow. Arthur's book only came out this year just after he passed away.
If you go to this website: http://www.danair.org/ and scroll down the Home Page page you come to two books......... click on Arthur's book (left hand one) and that will take you to the "Shop". £19.95 + P&P. Fill in the bits and they will post it on. I bought a copy and it's superb; very interesting photos of the time. You will be taken right back!!
I did know of that other wonderful book:ok: Thanks so very much.
Cheers
TG

WHBM 27th Oct 2006 15:30

Malayan Airways seem to have had 13 DC-3s overall. Many got re-registered, often more than once, as the country moved into independence and Singapore split away, so a bit complex.

20792 VR-SCB ex-USAF Mar47. Sold in India Dec47, probably to standardise on ex-RAF models
20763 VR-SCC "Curlew". Ex-Cathay Pacific Apr51. Sold by MSA to Lao Air Charter Jul68
12006 VR-SCG "Gull". Ex-Sivewright Apr51. Crashed in Sarawak 30Jan67 in MSA service
19569 VR-SCM "Martin". Ex-RAF Aug47. Sold by MSA to Khmer Jun71
12209 VR-SCN "Nightingale". Ex-RAF Aug47. Sold to Shell Pertamina Mar59
13366 VR-SCO "Osprey". Ex-RAF Aug47. Sold by MSA in Indonesia 1968.
12433 VR-SCP "Plover". Ex-Silver City Oct47. Sold by MSA to Air Indonesia Sep68
13729 VR-SCQ "Quail". Ex-RAF Mar48. Sold by MSA to Lao Air Charter Mar67
9189 VR-SCR "Robin". Ex-BOAC Aug48. Sold to Siam Apr61
13384 VR-SCW "Widgeon". Ex-RAF Jul49. Sold by MSA to Khmer 1969
33423 VR-SDD "Drake". Ex-Crewsair Apr51. Sold to Gulf Avn Apr61
26867 VR-SDH "Hawk". Ex-RAF Jan52. Sold in Indonesia Dec59
26237 VR-SEI. Ex-RAF Mar61. Sold by MSA to Khmer 1971

Most of this info from Air Britain's "The Douglas DC-3" by JWG Gradidge, published 1984. I've put the birdie names on as well for those who remember them (they look surprisingly British).

Nearly 25 years of service, obviously gave good value for money.

Several of the ex-RAF ones were long-time South East Asia residents. My father flew them in Burma in 1944-5 so some of you guys probably were handling the same throttles.

WHBM 27th Oct 2006 16:08

Just thought you might appreciate this as well.

Malayan Airways timetable July 1949. All flights departed from Singapore (times shown are there) and on DC3

0700 Mon - Bangkok. Returns 1900.
0700 Wed - Kota Bahru, Saigon. Returns 1815.
0700 TueFriSun - KL, Kuantan, Kota Bahru, Penang. Returns 1820.
0730 Daily - KL, Ipoh, Taiping, Penang. Returns 1800
0800 Mon - Kuching, Labuan, Jesselton. Night stop, returns 1530 on Tue.
0800 Fri - Batavia. Returns 1730.
0800 Tue - Palembang, Batavia. Returns 1815.
0830 ThuSat - Penang, Medan. Returns 1730.
0830 Fri - Palembang. Returns 1300.
0915 Wed - Penang, Bangkok. Night stop, returns 1615 on Thu.
1430 Daily - KL, Ipoh, Penang. Returns 1155. Based upcountry at Penang.

Seems to need at least 5 DC-3s to maintain the service. There were 7 in the fleet at this time. What nice days' flying !

Tartan Giant 27th Oct 2006 16:23

Terrific stuff
 
Hi WHBM
What terrific data............ many thanks for your time and trouble relaying the gen :D
Take care
TG

828a 29th Oct 2006 06:47

WHBM:
You are correct in saying there were actually a total of thirteen DC3s in the Malayan Airways fleet. Thanks for listing all the bird names, just reading them brought it all back just as if it was yesterday. Have you read "The Moonlight War" by Terence O'Brien? Considering your father flew DC3s in Burma then you will find it very interesting. It is an account of a DC3 squadron engaged in clandestine operations dropping spies and their supplies into Japanese occupied Burma, Inodochina and Malaya. They operated from bases in Eastern India and the author was in charge of flyhing operations. His nuts and bolts description of what they had to do at night (hence the name moonlight war) makes great reading. I highly recommend it and perhaps your father gets a mention. Thanks also for putting up the Malayan Airways timetable. I loved that word Batavia. Do you have any later timetables say about 1958-60? Also would your source of information stretch to something about Borneo Airways. It was Malayan Airways policy to send some of their DC3 first officers to fly DH-89A Rapides with their offshoot company Borneo Airways which was based in Labuan. I did six months of this in 1957 and I often wondered what happened to those Rapides that I used to fly around British North Borneo. There was only three of them registered VR-OAC VR-OAA and VR-OAB. They (the aircrafts) were marked as Malayan Airways but the company was called Borneo Airways so if they are listed in any records it could be with either organisation. Thanks in advance as anything found would be much appreciated. Regards.
Tartan Giant:
Many thanks for the info re Captain Arthur Larkman's book. I have been in touch (by email) with the Dan Air shop and they are processing my request. I consider it as giving myself a Christmas present. When I was stationed in Labuan Borneo (mentioned to WHBM)! I remember seeing York freighters transiting there to refuel on their way to and from the rocket range in Woomera Australia. At the time I thought them some sort of monster with their oil stains and their noisy crackling engines but I also thought they must have been exciting to fly. I think those Yorks belonged to Dan Air but I'm not sure and if so Arthur Larkman would have been flying them. Thinking about why his book is entitled "Chance Encounters" reminded me of an axiom that says "splendid people are where you find them". I'm sure you agree with that.
Regards
828a

WHBM 29th Oct 2006 08:21


Originally Posted by 828a (Post 2934777)
It is an account of a DC3 squadron engaged in clandestine operations dropping spies and their supplies into Japanese occupied Burma, Inodochina and Malaya. They operated from bases in Eastern India

Same task indeed. They were in Eastern India initially (Gauhati) then moved on across Burma. They did get to Saigon but I think that was after the war ended.

Father worked all his career in Barclays Bank in various British cities, except that when WW2 came along he was just told "you will join the RAF". One tour on Halifax bombers from Topcliffe, Yorkshire, then reassigned to the Far East on Daks (fortunately, as all his fellow crew who did a second Halifax tour were lost and I would not be here). After the war, back to the bank, what a comedown, the RAF was undoubtedly the highlight of his life, and as a small child he would tell me sufficient about the trips that even today I could probably fly my weekends-only PA-28 from Rangoon to Mandalay without charts ! He had, as many aircrew had, a "lucky charm", in his case an 1870 US silver dollar that had come through the bank one day. It's still in my flight bag.


Thanks also for putting up the Malayan Airways timetable. I loved that word Batavia. Do you have any later timetables say about 1958-60? Also would your source of information stretch to something about Borneo Airways.
I'll dig the stuff out. Best I have is a summer 1956. Putting it together will make a pleasant diversion from sweeping up the autumn leaves (don't tell Mrs WHBM :) )


I think those Yorks belonged to Dan Air but I'm not sure and if so Arthur Larkman would have been flying them.
Certainly Dan-Air were on this run with Yorks (as were many others). It seems to have been about a fortnight round trip.

chris keeping 30th Oct 2006 04:04

Malayan Airways DC3
 
What a fascinating thread this is, about Malayan Airways. I guess we have to thank 'Tartan Giant' for kicking it all off!

828a 30th Oct 2006 09:06

Tartan Giant:
On the subject of Yorks as mentioned to you before this I seem to remember a York freighter disappeared between Calcutta and Rangoon around 1958. I can't recall if this freighter was ever found and would be interested to know if it was one of Dan Air's aircraft. Regards
WHBM:
Interesting to read of your father's account of his war on Halifax bombers followed by DC3s. He was indeed lucky to have been posted to that DC3 squadron in the Far East. One of the old timer Malayan Airways captains who was a close friend of mine did a tour or two on bombing operations over Germany and he told me the biggest hazard over the target was being hit by bombs from his squadron mates who would intentionally climb above the allocated bombing height so that they (the squadron mates) would not be hit by any falling bombs. Your father's "lucky" silver dollar is familiar stuff as lots of pilots carried all sorts of talismans which seemed to work. Regards
Chris Keeping:
I have been thinking about the rudder on your model DC3 which is fabric covered and realised I forgot to mention to you that the ailerons and the elevators are also fabric covered. This means that the Malayan Airways aircraft had all three of these control surfaces the same colour. Those three chaps you mentioned in the PM are known to me. Regards
828a

WHBM 30th Oct 2006 10:48

Malayan Airways August 1956
 
As promised some notes from the Malayan Airways timetable for 1956, which includes not only the DC-3 services but also the Rapides in Borneo which 828a was operating. They are shown as an integral part of the service, with Malayan Airways flight numbers. And as you might expect, the service has filled out quite a bit since 1949. It’s all a bit complex so I’ll just do one day of the week. I’ve chosen Thursday

Rapides first. 3 aircraft.


Labuan 0620 ML618
Anduki 0730
Lutong 0805
Sibu 1040
Sibu 1235 ML619
Lutong 1510
Anduki 1545
Labuan 1655

Labuan 0700 ML614
Anduki 0810
Anduki 0825 ML615
Labuan 0935
Labuan 1430 ML616
Anduki 1540
Anduki 1555 ML617
Labuan 1705

Jesselton 0830 ML608
Ranau 0900
Ranau 0920 ML 609
Jesselton 0950
Jesselton 1010 ML604
Ranau 1040
Ranau 1100 ML605
Jesselton 1130
Jesselton 1150 ML611
Keningau 1240
Labuan 1320

A Rapide also flew 3 days a week Sandakan to Tawau, which doesn’t seem to have been linked to the other services. The whole schedule would seem to be a bit of a challenge if there were only 3 Rapides in the fleet, were there more than this ?

DC-3s :

[see posts below]



I’ll also put a scan of the whole timetable on a pdf when I get into my office, if anyone would like one PM me.

For further reading on Far East flying I can recommend “Beyond the Blue Horizon” by Alexander Frater. Published about 20 years ago, well-known journalist Frater got hold of an account from the first Imperial Airways flight from London to Australia in the 1930s, then retraced all the steps in the 1980s on commercial flights, and wrote a whole book about it. Absolutely fascinating, in all my somewhat large aviation book library I have to say it’s my favourite. Out of print but you will find it on Amazon or in secondhand book shops.

chris keeping 30th Oct 2006 11:06

Malayan Airways DC3
 
828a, don't know if you are aware of this websire, but it may be of interest to you; http://www.cathayclassics.co.uk. Chris Keeping

Sultan Ismail 30th Oct 2006 13:22

828a this for you:
http://www.rsfc.com.my/photos/bul47.jpg

4 September 2006 at Jogjakarta, East Java, Indonesia

828a 31st Oct 2006 06:26

Sultan Ismail;
Thanks for the pretty picture, I didn't know that Batavia Air even existed. My comment about liking the word Batavia was simply because it is a name from history that I thought had been consigned to the scrap heap like Jesselton and a few others. However it would seem that some local sentiment still remains in the form of Batavia Air. Is it true that Port Swettenham and Telok Anson have also been renamed ? Regards.
828a.

828a 31st Oct 2006 08:28

WHBM;
Definitely only 3 Rapides in my log book. The policy was fly them all day and work on them at night. There was no night schedules. The chief engineer was an Englishman who knew the aircraft backwards and he was the one who kept them going. A PM on the way. Regards
828a

WHBM 31st Oct 2006 09:26

DC-3 services of Malayan Airways 1956
 
This is the DC-3 part of the service in 1956. With my professional timetabling hat on I think one or two flights are missed out, as the services are unbalanced. These errors used to happen quite a lot in the old days, goodness knows how they sold seats on the flights missed out !


Singapore 0630 ML406 A/C 1
Kuching 1005/1025
Sibu 1125
Labuan 1400/1420
Jesselton 1505

Singapore 0710 ML102 A/C 2
Malacca 0825
KL 0900/0915
Ipoh 1025
Taiping 1055
Penang 1120/1150 ML239
Medan 1200/1230 ML240
Penang 1440/1515 ML149
Ipoh 1615
KL 1710/1725
Malacca 1810
Singapore 1920

Singapore 0745 ML114 A/C 3
KL 0920/0935
Kuantan 1035/1100 ML115
KL 1200/1215
Singapore 1345
Singapore 1640 ML110
Malacca 1755
KL 1830/1850 ML109
Singapore 2000

Singapore 0800 ML108 A/C 4
KL 0935/0950
Penang 1105/1130 ML128
Kota Bahru 1245/1305 ML127
Penang 1420/1535 ML107
KL 1650/1705
Singapore 1835

KL 0800 ML121 A/C 5
Malacca 0845
Singapore 0955

Penang 0850 ML101 A/C 6
Taiping 0925
Ipoh 1000
KL 1055/1115
Singapore 1245
Singapore 1400 ML150
KL 1535/1550
Ipoh 1700
Penang 1740/1800 ML151
Singapore 2040

Sandakan 0745 ML411 A/C 7
Jesselton 0845/0905 ML407
Labuan 0950/1010
Sibu 1245
Kuching 1345/1405
Singapore 1645


7 aircraft required on schedules out of 11 in the fleet. About par for the course in those days.

Separately, about the Dan-Air Yorks:

Dan-Air came late to the Woomera contract, they started in 1959 with a Bristol Freighter which took 12 days each way from Blackbushe. A surprising choice of aircraft for such an arduous route but there you go. Later they supplemented this with their Yorks. Before this the Yorks had been doing MoD freight charters from Britain to Singapore.

The York lost over India was possibly Dan-Air’s G-AMUV, which went down on 25 May 58, presumably on the Singapore contract.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19580525-0
and
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...datekey&page=1

Tartan Giant 31st Oct 2006 12:38

Hi 828a

I remember seeing York freighters transiting there to refuel on their way to and from the rocket range in Woomera Australia. At the time I thought them some sort of monster with their oil stains and their noisy crackling engines but I also thought they must have been exciting to fly. I think those Yorks belonged to Dan Air but I'm not sure and if so Arthur Larkman would have been flying them.
It was indeed a DA York. They won the contract from the Air Ministry and used two Yorks from Freddie Laker's company, AIR CHARTER, at STN along with the others used on the Lyneham - Singapore run.

The Bristol Freighters were used as they had a belly that would 'swallow' most things - 2360 cubic feet of obstruction free space.

G-AINL was the first one then, G-APLH on the 31 Mar 1957.

The Freighter was apparently the only British aircraft that could accomodate the "Black Knight" rocket.
Due to the secret nature of these flights, a circuitous route had to be followed and Customs sometimes had to be 'hoodwinked'!!!
The book I have mentions the cargo as being "Agricultural Machinery"!!

Captain Arthur Larkman made 11 of these flight UK-Woomara, at 170 hrs/trip.


The York sadly lost was G-AMUV which was purchased from the RAF.
It's markings during RAF service were: MW226.......... XD623............. XD669.
Don't ask me why it needed all these changes in reg!

If anybody has a photo of a DA York with a "Wallaby" on the nose, there is a very amusing story on Page 19 of "The Spirit of Dan Air" (Graham Simons) of how that came about.

Captain John Cameron was DA's Chief Pilot at the time and Arthur was in the bar at Singapore ordering drinks, and noticed John was ordering plate after plate after plate of salad............ that was to feed the wallaby in his room!! :eek:
John had to stop-over at Alice Springs and the staff there presented him with this youngster!
It reached England OK and was later presented to a zoo in Sussex, and as Arthur notes in the book, "....... where I believe they now have a colony". :)

John was the man who persuaded Arthur to leave Malayan Airways and join DA - that happened in Sep 1956.

Best wishes
TG

828a 1st Nov 2006 09:10

Tartan Giant:
It all makes sense to me now seeing those Yorks coming and going from Labuan in 1957. I always wondered what they were doing but it was not for me to ask (farm machinery eh). They added some colour to a rather quiet place only populated by Malayan Airways DC3s and their (Borneo Airways) Rapides. Cathay Pacific Airways arrived once a week in their DC4 but that was about it. Your mention of Captain John Cameron reminds me that even though he left Malayan Airways before I joined there was a legion of stories about him. It seems there were three captains there who were good mates. John Cameron, Arthur Larkman and Joe Hutchison. These three gentlemen came from the same mould. I became close friends with Joe Hutchison who stayed on with Malayan Airways, we flew together often on the DC3 and 102 Britannia (which was on lease from BOAC) and shared many a laugh. Regards
828a

9vspotter 2nd Nov 2006 13:45

Dear all,

Am new to this forum and am an aviation enthusiast in Singapore.

I understand that Malayan Airways aircraft were frequently leased by the newspapers companies in the 1950s for the ferrying of newspapers. Does anyone has more information on this ?

Regards,

9vspotter

828a 4th Nov 2006 06:57

Newpaper Flights from Singapore.
 
9vspotter;
Malayan Airways did indeed fly daily early morning newspaper freighter flights from Singapore into Malaya. They used their regular DC-3 passenger aircraft with the newspapers packed in bundles and tied down on the passengers seats. A hostess was always part of the crew on these freighters as passengers were carried on the return flights to Singapore. ML122 newspaper flight departed Singapore for Kuala Lumpur at 0425. ML106 newspaper flight departed Singapore at 0455 for Ipoh and Penang.
In addition to this around 1961 an ex Malayan Airways captain named Jan Bussel arranged a contract with the Singapore Straits Times to fly their printers " flongs " from Singaore to Kuala Lumpur each night which would allow the printing of their paper in Kuala Lumpur. Captain Bussel formed a company called " Malaysia Air Charter " using a twin engined Cessna 310 and later a single engine Cessna 185. The flight carrying the " flongs " departed Singapore around midnight which allowed them to be in Kuala Lumpur for the printing of that days local edition of the Straits Times. The pilot of the Cessna 185 always wore a parachute. It was a most enterprising arrangement that accepted the possibility of an engine failure over the jungle at night and the hazard of thunderstorms , no radar and a comparatively frail aircraft. Hence the parachute. Two of Malayan Airways locally employed First Officers left Malayan Airways to do this work with Jan Bussel. They were Amisn Gill and John Pereira both good pilots and good guys.
828a.

9vspotter 4th Nov 2006 14:09

Newspaper FLights from Singapore
 
Thanks 828a,

Your information is most interesting. I wish I could talk to the people you mentioned!

Am reading a book, "Dateline Singapore - 150 years of the Straits Times", by Mary Turnbull which was published in 1995. In it, there was mention of Straits Times using its company's own aircraft to carry matrices between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore with a footnote that this info was extracted from a February 1960 Director's Report. Could this aircraft be the chartered Cessnas you mentioned?

My records showed MAC operated two Cessna 310s (9M-AME & 9M-AMH) and a Cessna 185 (9M-AMK) in the 1960s.

Does anyone also have any information relating to four Avro Ansons operated by a Chinese Newspaper, with the title "Nanyang Airways" painted above the fuselage windows?

Most grateful for any help.

9vspotter

828a 5th Nov 2006 01:24

Nanyang Airways;
 
9vspotter;
There was an Avro Anson dumped behind the main hangar of the Royal Singapore Flying Club at Paya Lebar airport. I first saw it in 1955 but I can't tell you anything about it as it appeared to be disowned. If the flying club has kept any of their early records then they may be able to tell you something about it which could give you a lead to Nanyang Airways. Good hunting. Regards,
828a.

828a 11th Nov 2006 09:37

9vspotter:
You may find this of interest. Go to Google search and type in "Nanyang Airways Avro Anson" and the A.J. Jackson Aviation page comes up with a list of Avro Anson registrations for various countries. Scroll down the entries to the VRs and the following is listed.
(1) VR-SDM Avro Anson Nanyang Airways.
(2) VR-SDT Avro Anson Nanyang Airways.
These entries mean that photographs of the two aircraft are available from the Jackson collection. On another page of the Jackson collection entitled "List of Negatives of British Colonial VQ-VR civil aircraft" there are five Ansons shown as registered in Singapore, the three additional Ansons apart from the above are VR-SDK VR-TAQ and VR-TAT. Their ownership is not shown so the mystery of Nanyang Airways deepenes. In all the years I spent living in Singapore and flying for Malayan Airways I never once heard the name Nanyang Airways mentioned. Now after all this time I suppose that's reason enough to wonder who they were and what they did.
Regards
828a

9vspotter 12th Nov 2006 07:49

Hi 828a;

Yes, am aware of the Jackson's collection. In fact bought the photos some years back. They showed the aircraft in derelict condition, with the Nanyang Airways title, most probably at Paya Lebar.

There is certainly an intersting part of the Malayan aviation history to uncover.

9vspotter

828a 12th Nov 2006 10:53

WHBM,
Private Message on the way re Malayan Airways/Borneo Airways Rapide schedules ex Sandakan. Regards.
828a.

WHBM 14th Nov 2006 13:59

Alexander Frater, in the book I referenced above, wrote that when he was on the spot and he went looking for detail of the Imperial Airways flying boat service, which passed through Malaya in the 1930s and must have been a real significant event, he consistently found no records or even interest in the past, it seems that historical detail is not a universally shared interest round the world.

There may well be more details of the early Malayan fleet in the various A J Jackson/Putnam books published in the 1960s about the DH Rapide, the Avro Anson, and the Airspeed Consul (this last type we have not discussed yet but Malayan also had them in its early days). I don't have these any longer but others maybe do. Same author as had the photo collection referred to above.

prospector 17th Nov 2006 04:06

828a,
Finished my PPL with the Royal Singapore Aero Club, issued 24.10.59. Did the flight test with Jack Clegg, the ops mgr/ chief pilot if memory serves correctly was a gentleman called Rudy Frey. Did a dual check in DH82 VR-SCX with a P. Owens. Type rating DHC1 VR-SDW with Rudy Frey 14.12.59

Any of these names ring a bell?

LexS 21st Nov 2006 08:20

Re Malayan Airlines DC-3
 
I flew on a Malayan Airlines DC-3 (1960 or so) several times from, I believe Malacca to Pekanbaru, Sumatra. Anyone out there aware of this schedule? Also, my father worked for Caltex Oil Company in Sumatra, and we flew a Caltex company DC-3 from Singapore to Sumatra many times. Anyone have any info or recollection of this plane?

Westerman 25th Nov 2006 15:48

Anduki (Seria) Labuan and onwards
 

As promised some notes from the Malayan Airways timetable for 1956, which includes not only the DC-3 services but also the Rapides in Borneo which 828a was operating.
[snip]
Rapides first. 3 aircraft.
Labuan 0620 ML618
Anduki 0730
Lutong 0805
Sibu 1040
Sibu 1235 ML619
Lutong 1510
Anduki 1545
Labuan 1655

Labuan / Anduki
&
Jesselton / Ranau / Keningau / Labuan
I used to live in Borneo, and often travelled as pax between Anduki (the field for the oil town of Seria), and Labuan, and onward points. I remember seeing a Rapide at Labuan, though I never travelled on one. I think we always travelled on a Percival Prince out of Anduki to Labuan - would I be correct in thinking that was operated by Shell?

Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 2938370)
This is the DC-3 part of the service in 1956. With my professional timetabling hat on I think one or two flights are missed out, as the services are unbalanced.
[snip]
Sandakan 0745 ML411 A/C 7
Jesselton 0845/0905 ML407
Labuan 0950/1010
Sibu 1245
Kuching 1345/1405
Singapore 1645

Sharing some memories - I flew on that route, Labuan to Singapore, in 1957, leaving Borneo for the last time. We left from Anduki - pretty sure it was in a Prince - and stayed at the resthouse in Labuan - I seem to remember a two-storey building - which itself was unusual because the resthouses in Seria and Lutong were single storey. I think we must have had a spare day because we went to visit the memorial to the 1945 end of hostilities and I still have a photo of that. Perhaps these flights weren't daily?

I certainly remember the yellow stripe on the Malayan Airways DC3s, and the "very" steep walk, it seemed to me, to move from the door to the seats towards the front. And the sound of the engine - it was so distinctive. We took the DC3 to Sibu, Kuching, and Singapore - it had always seemed a long flight, and looking at the schedule you've posted it confirms it - surprisingly long, I thought at the time, from Labuan to Sibu. In Singapore we embarked on a Britannia for London. That was a long flight too, stopping at Calcutta, Karachi, Beirut, and Zurich. We touched down in Beirut as a colourful dawn was breaking. I remember the complimentary refreshment in the terminal if you were in transit. And the postcard in the seat pocket. (Why "don't" they do that anymore - such a simple way to bind the customer, and free advertising on a person to person basis, and just pennies.)

I went back recently. Anduki looks just the same. Well, almost. The shape is the same, as is the forest adjacent to the strip - it looked just as it did 50 years ago, and most of the buildings - the hangars on the right, the passenger terminal on the left. The field is half-tarmac now - it used to be grass with a sort of metal lattice on it or in it. I think the control tower is repositioned though. I formed the impression there are no fixed wing operations there now, only helicopters out to the offshore installations. But there's a good highway now to the capital, so scheduled air services perhaps aren't needed anymore.

regards, Westerman

828a 16th Jan 2007 05:31

Late Replies;
 
I've been away from the computer travelling for some months and owe replies to WHBM, prospestor, LexS, and westerman. Will get them off as soon as I get reorganised. Regards.
828a.

828a 19th Jan 2007 08:24

Tartan Giant:
I have Captain Arthur Larkman's book "Chance Encounters" and what a pleasure it has been to read. It contains nostalgic memories galore for me and I must sincerely thank you for telling me about it. I missed meeting Arthur by a small margin as he left as I joined, however most of the characters he talks of were still there and the photographs seem to me to be as of last week!!! Once again, thanks a million.
WHBM:
Thanks for putting up the Malayan Airways DC3 schedules and the Borneo Airways DH 89a Rapide schedules. They have allowed me to blow away a few cobwebs which are starting to form, actually I am annoyed with myself for not keeping more items like those schedules but of course at the time one thinks the years will go on forever and everything can be retained in the memory. It doesn't work like that. I owe you one.
Prospector:
I knew Jack Clegg very well as we were both friend and colleague. Jack resigned from Malayan Airways about 1962 to join Air New Zealand and he was promoted to captain on their DC8. Rudy Frey was also a friend as he administered the Royal Singapore Flying Club very efficiently and kept an eye on the flying instructors (like me). He also ran the engineering side of things and kept the aircraft in good condition. Rudy was responsible for allocating the rubber plantation "pay drops" in which tough canvaas bags of bank notes were dropped into the plantations to pay the tappers. (This was to avoid confronting the terrorists who were along the roads during the Emergency).
Dropping from the Tiger Moth was really good fun and something I looked forward to on the days I was not flying with Malayan Airways. Peter Owens also resigned from Malayan Airways about 1963 and went back to England to fly for a small domestic operator and I lost contact with him. Great days as I am sure you will agree.
westerman:
You are correct , it was a Percival Prince and it was operated by Shell. They mainly operated to the oil fields along the Northern Coast of Borneo ie Brunei, Anduki, Miri, Sibu, etc. Occasionally the aircraft was to be seen in Singapore but I think that was for annual maintenance. It's just possible that I may have flown you from Labuan to Singapore in that Malayan Airways DC3 back in 1957. The route and stops were just as you described and the Malayan crews did it regularly. The flight originated in Sandakan and it was a long day by the time Singapore was reached but really no hardship. If you remember the long yellow stripe then you must remember the Tiger head with the whiskers and it goes without saying that you remember the nice things about the hostess. Thanks for sharing the memories you reminded me of a few things I almost ( but not quite) have forgotten.
It's a pity you never had a ride on Borneo Airways DH 89a Rapides as I am sure you would have enjoyed it. I've only recently been thinking about all the security rubbish one has to endure these days and can't help but to compare it to those Rapides days. A regular passenger on the Rapides was the Sultan of Brunei (the present Sultan's father) who always travelled alone. He would be given two seats side by side and after sitting down would unholster his revolver and placed it on the empty seat next to him. The other passengers took no notice of him or his revolver. I can see him now just sitting there with the gun in plain view for all to see. Boy how things have changed.
LeXs:
I can't recall any Malayan Airways DC3 services from Malacca to Pekanbaru as the only scheduled DC3 flights I ever did went to Medan and Palembang. I remember the Caltex DC3 as it was frequently seen in Singapore and it seemed to operate only to destinations in Indonesia. I think it was based in Djakarta (note the "D"). Shell also operated a DC3 based in Indonesia.
Regards to all
828a

828a 20th Jan 2007 04:30

Another late reply;
 
Tartan Giant;
I sent your photograph to Captain Harry A' Court one of the original Malayan Airways pilots ( now aged 83 ) and he says the pilot is Pod Hodnett who joined in 1948. Pod did not stay long but returned to England to rejoin the RAF. His name is mentioned in " Chance Encounters " on page 25 . Harry could not identify the hostess and this rather surprised me. I'm sorry I could not get this to you earlier but E-mailing when you are travelling is a bit hard and especially so for someone who is not very good at it . Regards,
828a


PS, Tried to send you a Private Message but it would not go through.


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