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Fishtailed 27th May 2006 18:03

WHAT, WHERE and WHEN
 
No prizes for what aircraft, where it is and when the photo was taken.
I will be impressed with 3 out of 3
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ed/oldprop.jpg

jumpseater 27th May 2006 21:56

Vicker Varsity, outside a hanger, during the day!:} I'd guess at Brooklands/Weybridge but that's as far as I'd go.

DH106 27th May 2006 22:06

Varsity has tricycle gear - not a taildragger.
Prototype Viking?

treadigraph 27th May 2006 22:09

A Valetta?

Tiger_mate 27th May 2006 22:52

It is an RAF Valetta transport aircraft and my best guess is either a new build at the Brooklands factory in 1950, or more likely at Brooklands for modification to nav trainer in the middle fifties. Parked on the grass with wheels covered is normally indicative of an extended stay.

stevef 28th May 2006 11:18

Yes, definitely a Valetta. Looks to me as if the starboard wingtip is missing. Possible signs of damage/metal repair to the nose as well. Not much help, am I...

virgo 28th May 2006 19:47

1. RAF Valetta
2. RAF Melksham (Wingtips cut off to get in the hanger) Instructional aircraft
3. Late 50s ?? Say 58 ??

Fishtailed 29th May 2006 15:50

One point to treadigraph for the first correct aircraft type.
Virgo is on the right lines!
Keep guessing.

virgo 29th May 2006 20:24

How about Weeton............or Halton...........Cosford........St Athan ........Locking ???

Fishtailed 31st May 2006 10:21

I took the photo on one of my many visits during school holidays,to my dad at work, (a civvie working for the 'ministry').I would ride in on my bike through the main gate(security?), past the beautiful black Hunter and silver Meteor. Why didn't I take pictures of them?

virgo 31st May 2006 18:01

Tangmere used to have a Meteor and Hunter as gate guardians............but a clipped wing (extra maneouverability whilst engaged in supply dropping during the Malayan campaign ???????) Valetta ?

Just had a thought..........the two black hangars...............Farnborough ???

tornadoken 3rd Jun 2006 17:03

1 ITS Bridgenorth. Closed 1963, so- 1961?
The Hunter was F.5 WP191, Meteor was F.3 EE405, scrapped when station closed. On the parade ground, exposed to elements and boys, were Hurricane LF686, now in Smithsonian, and, latterly Spitfire Vc AR614, now airworthy as N614VC.

Final 3 Greens 3rd Jun 2006 17:35

Its not a Valetta, its a Valletta

Fishtailed 3rd Jun 2006 18:42

Not Tangmere, Farnborough or Bridgenorth. I dont know if it was the parade ground but there was a large area full of Swifts being dismantled which my brother and me played in.

henry crun 3rd Jun 2006 21:33

The only place I know of that had a large number of Swifts was St. Athan.

Fishtailed 3rd Jun 2006 23:17

We also played in a bomber that I was told at the time was a Stirling, but have since discovered was a Lincoln. Looking back I remember some of the engines on the grass under the wings were straight , not round!! Great fun in the cockpit though, for a 12 yearold.

Woomera 4th Jun 2006 08:12

WD159 at the RAF Colerne museum (before it closed)?

tornadoken 4th Jun 2006 12:27

Catterick Fire School, 1962?

chevvron 4th Jun 2006 12:43

Have you seen Catterick recently? The army have gone and built houses close to the runway! Normally they just put up a fence inside the peri-track so the runways can still be used, but you can't get off the airfield.
Anyway the airfield isn't Halton, the hangars are the wrong design, but it could be Bovingdon, which did operate Vallettas.

ZH875 4th Jun 2006 13:50

How about RAF Valley, or Warton (Pre BAC/EE days), or even Squires Gate.

virgo 4th Jun 2006 16:35

I think a load of Swifts were chopped up at Aldergrove............dunno if there was ever a Lincoln there ?

Cornish Jack 5th Jun 2006 11:03

Shawbury MU used to put buzz saws through a lot of obsolete aircraft so... ??
The Va(single 'L')etta featured largely in my first log book; all those entries COULD have been mis-spelled - but I think not.:=

wub 5th Jun 2006 13:31

Weston-Super-Mare?

treadigraph 5th Jun 2006 16:05

The Vickers product is "Valetta" according to British Civil Aircraft Volume III (strangely enough!) but the place on Malta is "Valletta" as viewed on the appropriate page of my Oxford Cheapskate's Atlas...

Fishtailed 7th Jun 2006 22:18

I had to be real carefull sometimes going to visit my dad on my bike because the roads were full of Bedford lorries with L plates on. Some days there seemed like hundreds coming out of the gate. Still, I learned to ride my dads motorbike in the grounds of the hospital across the road from the main gate when I was fourteen!

Cornish Jack 8th Jun 2006 10:31

In that case, it has to be Halton .... yes??

chevvron 8th Jun 2006 16:21

If it was pre 1960 maybe, but I've never seen hangars of that design at Halton post 1960.

ZH875 8th Jun 2006 17:37

Maybe if the Hospital was not quite opposite the main gate, the picture of the hangars could be Hangers 546 & 547 at the top of the site at Cosford, now occupied by the Museum.

pulse1 8th Jun 2006 17:55

How about a Valetta at Benson in the mid 50's. There was a ferry sqdn there about then and, as an ATC cadet, I had a ride from there to Kemble, Hawarden and St Athan.

Fishtailed 9th Jun 2006 13:16

Sorry Cornish Jack, not Halton. ZH875, the hospital was directly opposite the main gate, and the station Officers Mess was in the hospital grounds.

Conan the Librarian 9th Jun 2006 14:30

Not Wroughton, perchance?

Conan

chevvron 12th Jun 2006 07:56

Nah wrong types of hangar again; Wroughton has C and L types; those look like T2's with corrugated asbestos rather than corrugated iron skinning. It's more likely Bitteswell or Barkston Heath.

Speedpig 13th Jun 2006 05:04

I think it particularly sad that the type of hangar is generating more conversation than the lump of metal in front of them.
Anyway, Kenley 1959.:confused:

jumpseater 13th Jun 2006 18:51

second try, location = Colerne Wilts?

Fishtailed 19th Jun 2006 21:00

OK Conan, I'll reveal the location of the Valetta shortly, after you see this, taken a few miles down the road, and a few years earlier I would think, not by me though. Interesting eh!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...d/dba0fe32.jpg

ZH875 19th Jun 2006 21:22

Has Innsworth been mentioned yet?

Fishtailed 19th Jun 2006 21:41

Not Innsworth, ZH. You were in the right area on one ocasion. One of Virgo's wild guesses was right, though.:D

virgo 20th Jun 2006 20:39

Excuse Me ! Virgo does NOT make wild guesses - he carefully studies the options, weighs the pros and cons, considers all the evidence and then makes a well informed judgement.......................if he got close, it's the third good decision he's made.............The first was to join the RAF in the early 50s and the second was to leave it in the late 60s !

Fishtailed 20th Jun 2006 23:06

OK Virgo
The Valetta, it was, at 'Weeton Camp' as we locals called it, 1962 ish.
M7469, WD168. The gate guardians werer Hunter F5 WP147, and Meteor F4 RA449. The Lincoln mentioned was RF510. I don't remember all this from when I was 12, a couple of years ago I was given a list of aircraft at Weeton in the late 50s - early 60s when I was trying to determine whether the bomber I remember there was a Stirling or not. The list makes interesting reading, it includes lists of aircraft that took part in flying displays at Battle of Britain days. The one for September 1958 includes one each of the V bombers, Javelins, Hunters, Vampire, Canberra, Meteor, Comet, Hastings, Lincoln and Shackleton, and two types I'm not farmilliar with,
3 RB66s from 10TRW Alconbury, and one KB50J from 420ARS Sculthorpe.
Can anyone enlighten me on those?
The Meteor in the other photo was at Kirkham.:ok:

RampTramp 21st Jun 2006 03:47

Fishtailed,


and two types I'm not farmilliar with,
3 RB66s from 10TRW Alconbury, and one KB50J from 420ARS Sculthorpe.
Can anyone enlighten me on those?
RB66, recon version of the B66 twin engined bomber also know as the 'Destroyer' &
KB50J, air refuelling version of the B50 which in turn was a development (and to uneducated eyes, looked the same as) the B29

Hope that helps.

RT


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