WORLD AVIATION MUSEUMS - Mod post 16/05
 

Worldwide Aviation Museums


Just what it says guys and gals.

The question of museums often crops up and sometimes there is a mass of information, sometimes not. The fact of the matter is that there are some wonderful museums all over the world and all with a tale to tell of their charges. Many PPRuNer’s travel the world and it is clear that they like to visit good aviation museums and in the process take some pictures.

This then is the plan. We are looking for the fabulous pictures that abound inside these museums. We hope that own ‘local’ PPRuNer’s can get their museum on the PPRuNe map so that others all over the world can see what they otherwise may not see. Thus giving all aviators and enthusiasts the opportunity to see what is within of the finest aviation museums as well as the more obscure regions of the world.

This thread will be a ‘sticky’ thread and will deal ONLY in museums with aircraft - of vintage, WW1 and WW2 and, of course any aeroplanes. NO competitions, no polls – just pictures with titles to say what they are and any special notes that go with them.

The way it will work is simple. Each thread posted under the WAM heading will have its own sub heading, such as RAF HENDON MUSEUM or YEOVILTON FAA MUSEUM. No aircraft from one museum can be added to another they need to remain ‘pure’ and true to the museum concerned. Duplicate museums are banned. If you have pictures of a museum already showing you can add your own pictures. The mods will have full control on content and quality so don’t be surprised if a picture disappears.

All pictures, and I do mean all, should be presented at one size of 800x400 pixels. Larger sizes will go off page and we will have to remove them OR get you to re-size them, too small and they will look out place.

As far as copyright is concerned they will remain your property and we will accept your copyright on the picture but only in small print. No URL’s or links will be allowed to any other website or personal business. By naming the museum we are giving them space and Danny, therefore PPRuNe, is happy to do that. We will, however, ensure that that gesture will not be abused.

PPP

About three years ago I wanted to post a parcel in Bangkok. The nearest post office to where I was staying was in a road called Lat Phrao.

Just before the post office in a courtyard with the usual Honda motorbikes and delapidated stalls I found this defunct coffee shop ! :-

http://www.geocities.com/spitfiremk9/c-46.jpg
Curtiss C-46 Commando of Thai Air

CAVANAUGH FLIGHT MUSEUM - ADDISON/DALLAS
 

Here are some shots of only a few of the aircraft at this museum. What makes this a striking place is the absolute quality of the exhibits. Most of which fly on scheduled display days.
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Yeah Yeah OK. I put them on photobucket and made them 800x600 which doesn't fit their re-size plan so.....like the Camel it is slightly over - it's resize system is probably a bit out.

The B25 WAS 800x600 but how it got back to that I don't know ..................but still!!!!!

I'll remove the thread because I did do it too quickly. Just trying to please you understand. :O :ok:

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Now I will have to dig out some PPR's posing.

Good day that was. Especially as, on behalf of PPRuNe, I presented the museum with 6 TSR2 prints signed by 'Bee' Beamont to be sold to make a bit of cash.

PPP

PPRuNe Pop, that Me109 has a strange engine - it looks like a Griffin engine! The Me109 DB engine was mounted "upside-down", so that the exhausts were at the base of the cowling rather than the top, as most British & American aircraft were. Is it a hybrid / replica / mock-up for cinema?
Do you have any details about the aircraft you have pics of?
Thanks
SD
Edit - answering my own question it must be a Hispano Buchon!

Saab

You got it !!

Found this Caproni at the Boeing Museum in Seattle. Great place with wonderful planes and heritage artifacts but this just blew my mind. The plaque claims this is the earliest fighter known and it is presented un-renovated, just as found.

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Chris,

Surely you didn't take ONE picture did you? ;)

Where are the rest?

This thread is about museums and all the aircraft they contain. If you have some more please post them in your thread. We would all like to see them :ok:

Rgds

PPP

Fantasy of Flight, Hangar office entrance. Just love this Art Deco stuff.
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Kermit Weekes likes to collect engines, they might come in handy. This is just a sample:
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The old Sunderland is a bit tacky but this inspection platform was interesting.
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Trimotor
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Boeing Museum, Seattle. One of my favourites.
Corncob 28Cyl Radial. Beautiful cut away demo
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Curtis. Planes old and New here.
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The have the Gossamer Albatros. The Flyer of the man powered aircraft and we have a long way to go if we ever get there.
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Chris, the Learfan was private venture by Bill Lear after he sold the Learjet programme to Gates. It was going to be built (whether entirely or in part I don't recall) in Belfast a la de Lorean wuth UK Government funding, but was stymied by Bill Lear's death in about 1979. Good looking aireyplane!

I think I read somewhere his wife was trying to continue the operation, guess it ended up as another financial sink hole.

PP Radar,

Being pedantic, wasn't the Buccaneer built by Blackburn?
Seem to remember the ASI was a horizontal tape a la vauxhall viva speedometer which cheered up a mate who worked for them in Luton when I pointed out that as the Bucc was designed in the 50's & the Viva in the 60's technically the viva used aerospace technology :ok:

When I first started this forum, I had no idea that it would get as good as it is now. Everyone has shown immense interest in it, and your contributions to it have been truly impressive. You can step back and feel proud of that. Thank you very much from ALL of us at PPRuNe HQ.

So, I also came up with the idea of a thread for World Museums and all the 'treasures' they hold, I thought we would get a massive response but sadly we haven't. I wonder now if there is a reason for that. If there is we would certainly like to hear about it. But for sure there are many museums we haven't even heard of! And for sure there is someone living 'there' who can give us more pleasure if we can see within.

As you can see already in this thread, there are fabulous aeroplanes in the museums we have seen so far but it would be a joy to us all if we can get more pics from the hundreds of museums in the four corners of the world.

How about it! Let's get the digitals out and get more pics into the thread. We even have a post to tell you how to do that. And btw. 800 x 600 is great but not more. 640 x 480 is a bit small.

Thanks very much from me and Evileyes.


PPP

Er, cough, how many photos is reasonable per museum? :)

We don't have a limit St... but obviously we would like the contributions to be selective - a dozen or so per museum would be acceptable but if there are special pics then go right ahead and post.

Are you thinking what I am thinking := :E

PPP

Great my friend. Really nice - can't wait for the rest. Hairyplane would love that Storch.

Just one point ('cos someone will ask) can you name them please.

Thanks again S.

PPP

I say V ATCO could you name them please?:E

(Excuse me TD&H) ;)


Edit: Now whad I say, whaaaad I say?

Er, erm, er, I didn't make a note of the names at the time, thinking I could pick up a guide, and didn't, or couldn't. Can't remember which now. :ouch:

I'll do some homework . . . .

Great stuff!

Interesting that the Bestmann carries a swastika - I thought such things were now banned in Germany - certainly the two or three WWII Luftwaffe kits in my collection have the artwork altered on the box, and the relevant decals removed from the sheet. Do you recall if the 110 carried one as well?

3PARA

Being really pedantic then ... it was originally designed by Blackburn (who were absorbed by HS in 1960) and they did build some examples, but the aircraft you see in the pic was built by HS in 1966 :ok: ;)

I say, V ATCO, you forgot the names again!:E

Wouldn't you just love to see some of them back in the air. Some years ago was offered the Bestmann that was in Frankfurt Airport Museum, but having arranged to meet up with the man to talk about it, he then failed to show up. Grrrr...

Although 'twould probably have been exhorbitantly expensive to restore.

TD&H, just waht I was thinking. The pretty little Arado at the top, D-EMVT flew with Lufthansa for a while recently and appeared at Flying Legends several years ago, but I think it was already planned to be her last voyage before being interred in the museum.

Lovely pics, V ATCO. Cheers!

Brilliant pics again S. Well done. If someone can gives the names - I know a few - we can add them.

Cheers.

I can help a bit - but PPP - would you have guessed it, I need some time to sober up (Lincoln lost to Grimsby, not that I am bothered...), Tomorrow....

OK Treadders

Which aeroplane should we steal (sorry, long term borrow:} )? Then get flying again?

Unless you know of another source for a nice old machine from somewhere that it won't be missed, and won't cost zillions to get back into the air.

Only one TD&H, that's not very ambitious! I WANT THEM ALL, well the prop propelled ones anyway...

List coming up...

Treadders, I thought that by 'borrowing' only one then it might not be noticed! And we could have chosen one with a realistic chance of us affording to get her airworthy!

Alright then if you're going to be greedy, with your list give indications of costs and effort to make each airworthy. PLUS more importantly, your source of wealth to carry out the work!! (You can pm me with this last detail, no need to let the others into our secret:E )

Come on you two! Get on with it!!!!:ugh: :rolleyes:

Cough, sorry, got distracted by an invitation for a lunchtime drink... Speaking of which PPP, I saw your missive; I will try and head over you way week after next...

Right here's my attempt based on nothing but a fecund imagination:

First batch:

1 - We all know that one!
2 - No idea but it's very pretty - an Arado perhaps?
3 - I reckon it's part (or a replica) of a Ju288?
4 - Bucker Jungmann
5 - No idea
6 - Something by Lilienthal?
7 - Looks familiar but any pretence at fecundity proved infertile (eh?)
8 - See No 6
9 - Klemm Kl-107 (or a Bolkow 207)
10 - Rheine Flug B-thingumnyjig (but the DNA is something like Bergfalke glider?)
11 - Storch - well you all knew that...
12 - Bucker Bestmann
13 - A VI and a Godknowswhat...
14 - Me110 and Fokker Steiglitz
15 - Me108 (or a Nord 1002)

Second batch:

1 - Arado ( I think a 75?)
2 - me109
3 - MiG 15 (or a 17? My MiG knowledge is shaky...)
4 - Hmmmm, I'll bet its flight characteristics are interesting
5 - Ju-52
6 - Dassault Flamant
7 - A Klemm...
8 - Another Klemm (well it says so...)
9 - Ditto
10 - Perhaps a Halberstadt?
11 - It's that Dak again!
12 - Perhaps another Halberstadt - if TD&H and I can only liberate one, that's the one I want - and I'll bet he'll pick something else...
13 - Me109
14 - Sabredog...

Well that’s the voting from Croydon - now I stand to be corrected on most!

Well done chaps.

I'll add the titles in a day or so. :)

Sorry, just belatedly read TD&H's last post - I plead poverty mate! I thought YOU were the one with the money... Do you think Heather McCartney-Mills might look my way once she's got her settlement from Macca? :cool:

Most of them way over my head! [Figuratively speaking!]. However,

Batch 1 No 3 I reckon is the engine/gear part of FW200 Condor [the unusual leg config gives it away].

Batch 1 No 12 I reckon is a ME108.

Batch 2 No 3 is a Mig15.

IMHO

Gleaned off the web:

First batch:

2 - Arado Ar 96
5 - Jeannin Stahltaube
6 - Lilienthal Kleiner Schlagflügel-Apparat (Small wing-flapping machine)
7 - Junkers J4 fuselage
8 - Lilienthal Normalsegelapparat (Standard glider)
13 - Henschel HS 293 flying bomb

Second batch:

1 - Arado Ar 79
6 - Nord NC 702
7 - Klemm 35D
12 - Halberstadt CL IV

PPP, please stop doing that :ugh: to your head, you'll hurt yourself! :}

Treadders I'll agree to the Halberstadt, can we base it at Shuttleworth as a replacement for the LVG the RAF museum stole back? But would you mind adding one of the Buckers as a treat for me? I'll have the aeroplane(s) you can have misery guts HMM.

I admire those who can recognise and name all these types, perhaps it shows I'm not too much of an anorack. However I do feel that this museum is well worth the visit, must find time to get there, and consider this thread an excellent guide to where to go visiting. Thanks.

Florence used to have a very nice museum, until the money grabbers came along :ugh:

http://www.donz.nildram.co.uk/B47_00...OMUS150480.jpg

http://www.donz.nildram.co.uk/BTD1_0...OMUS150480.jpg

http://www.donz.nildram.co.uk/C124C_...OMUS150480.jpg

http://www.donz.nildram.co.uk/F11F_1...OMUS150480.jpg

http://www.donz.nildram.co.uk/T33_36...OMUS150480.jpg

http://www.donz.nildram.co.uk/B29_KFLOMUS150480.jpg

http://www.donz.nildram.co.uk/F84F_2...OMUS150480.jpg

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Nogbad - great pics.

What is the second a/c with the inverted gullwing and the jet with 'Glynco' painted on port side ?

Not to Nogbad - per the Berlin pics which are fabulous and I have to get there to see sometime - I thought that display of the swastika was illegal in Germany.
Obviously this has changed. Could someone fill me in ?

Dont have pics but the aviation museum outside of Beijing near Badaling is VG if anyone has pics.

BTW French 'La Goudale' beer is VG on a crappy hot HK sunday arvo when one can't sail ones yacht wot......what a f..kwit comment. good beer though

---ahh Grumman F-11 Tiger - seems to have a nose extension.

Questin still stands for the second pic thought - agter the B47.

This beer is blooy good

kluge
It is a Douglas BTD-1 'Destroyer' SN: 04959 REG: N7035U. A similar aircraft is being restored at the National Warplane Museum Elmira New York.
It was not a great success. In 1944 some 28 aircraft were built. The programme was doomed as competive designs were anticipated to have superior performance. and the US Navy cancelled the BTD-1 contract and the last aircraft was delivered on the 8th October 1945.
Mel