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Old 22nd Dec 2023, 12:08
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Curse those commies…
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Concur with Dr. Jekyl on the F-106. Arguably the best interceptor of its era (don't want to start any fights with EE Lightning fans...)

Mitsubishi F-2

Several mentioned I would not consider "outstanding", perhaps good, interesting or innovative (B-58, B-47, Javelin, B-36...) By all accounts the Attacker was pretty dismal.


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Old 23rd Dec 2023, 04:51
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How about the Martin Mauler, AM-1? It had the bad luck to run up against the Douglas AD.
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Hawker Nimrod (the biplane not the converted Comet)? I think the only one of the Fury/Hind/Hart family that didn't see combat.
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Originally Posted by sandiego89
By all accounts the Attacker was pretty dismal.
A couple of times James Kightly (JDK, late of this parish and the FP forum) lauded Joe Smith of Supermarine as a good aircraft designer.
He and his team did a magnificent job after Mitchell's death in keeping the Spitfire relevant virtually until the end of the piston-engined fighter era.

His aircraft afterwards - Attacker, Swift, Scimitar - were average at best.
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Has anyone mentioned the Convair B58 Hustler?

I think the USAF had about 80 or so operational. I can't think of when it might have been used in anger...
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never was - purely for the hi-speed delivery of atomic weapons - with a shed load of tanker support...............
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Has anyone mentioned the Convair B58 Hustler?

I think the USAF had about 80 or so operational. I can't think of when it might have been used in anger...
Pretty sure the number was a lot more than 80 - production was several hundred. If memory serves, they crashed more than 80...
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Pretty sure the number was a lot more than 80 - production was several hundred. If memory serves, they crashed more than 80...
116, including prototypes. They certainly didn't crash anywhere near 80.
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Originally Posted by BSD
Has anyone mentioned the Convair B58 Hustler?
Yes: post #18.
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B-58 losses were 24, some incorrectly quote 26 because they include two that were damaged in accidents, one was repaired and returned to flight, the other survives as a static display.

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If the B-47 had seen combat, none of us would be here
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Fairey Gannet
Limited use on anti piracy in South China Sea. Rockets with concrete warheads. According to warries from a radar op, they were pissed off about the concrete warheads,
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Grumman F11F Tiger. - A stong comeback after the F10F Jaguar
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I've never heard of it but if Wiki is to be believed, it wasn't even vaguely outstanding but never saw combat.

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Not that bad according to Bill Gunston - first aircraft designed from scratch to the Area rule, probably only beaten for low drag by the Gnat and the F-104. Better air combat aircraft than the F-104. First supersonic aircraft in USN service. V popular with the Blue Angels. around 200 built

"basically one of the best of is era , rather let down by it's engine"

"A nice aeroplane that had too many competitors".
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Not that bad according to Bill Gunston
The Blues were using the aircraft when I arrived for flight training, thought it the most beautiful and best aircraft they ever used. After they gave it to students for supersonic experience one student found he had difficulties, both wings had separated at the wing fold, a little over "g'ing". Also famed as being the first aircraft to shoot itself down.
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Old 24th Dec 2023, 13:07
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A stong comeback after the F10F Jaguar
Ah, my awareness of that beast was purely through Corky Meyer's autobiography - I seem to recall he was not terribly gruntled with it!
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Originally Posted by CoodaShooda
The CAC “Avon” Sabre and the Mirage III O would fit the bill, I think.
Think you can discount the Mirage IIIO since a number of them were supplied to Pakistan and the type is still in service there, so will have been used in the regular skirmishes with their Indian neighbours.
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Originally Posted by megan
The Blues were using the aircraft when I arrived for flight training, thought it the most beautiful and best aircraft they ever used. After they gave it to students for supersonic experience one student found he had difficulties, both wings had separated at the wing fold, a little over "g'ing". Also famed as being the first aircraft to shoot itself down.
...and also used by the Blue Angels quite effectively, so obviously not a bad type.
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