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Old 18th Nov 2023, 22:01
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Try getting hold of "Britsh Independent Airlines since 1946" by Tony Merton-Jones - as well as Treffield there is a wealth of other ailines (it's 4 volumes).

It gives the fleet as Rapide G-AHKU, Anson's G-AGWE and G-AHKX, Viscounts G-ATVE and G-ATVR (no G-ATUE) and Britannia G-ANBM (with Airedale G-AROJ as a company hack). It states that they were due to get three Viscounts, but the Britannia was taken instead of the third.

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Many thanks for that invaluable information, especially regarding Treffield International Airlines fleet makeup as well as the aircraft registrations.
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Old 19th Nov 2023, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
I absolutely one hundred percent can't believe that I got that photo mixed up with Manchester Ringway😳<br /><br />It's so obvious that it's London Gatwick I can't believe that I made such a ridiculous mistake. I feel absolutely ashamed of myself 😅<br /><br />And greetings to you too fellow Sotonian 😊
<br />Hey, even we Southampton ""lads"" can get things wrong, sometimes......!!! 😉😉

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Try getting hold of "British Independent Airlines since 1946" by Tony Merton-Jones - as well as Treffield there is a wealth of other airlines (it's 4 volumes).
Yes, comes highly recommended.... Script a bit hard to read but the information is all there.... PM

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Originally Posted by treadigraph
Edit: in 1963 he also acquired the ex-RAN Sea Fury that eventually became Ormond Haydon-Baillie's G-AGHB but never recovered from Australia.
treadi...... Is that right, G-AGHB never made it back to these shores?? No wonder I never logged it as a registration !!! ☺☺ PM
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Trefgarne never bought it to the UK but OHB certainly did, via Canada and some racing at Reno. I saw it on a trailer at Elstree in 1979 after its accident in Germany. Spencer Flack had acquired the aircraft from OHB's estate and the crash was during the ferry.
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Originally Posted by treadigraph
Trefgarne never bought it to the UK but OHB certainly did, via Canada and some racing at Reno. I saw it on a trailer at Elstree in 1979 after its accident in Germany. Spencer Flack had acquired the aircraft from OHB's estate and the crash was during the ferry.
treadi...... Thanks for clearing that up !!! I obviously "missed it"....!! PM
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Old 19th Nov 2023, 20:38
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Sorry, it wasn't a particularly clear comment! Can't even blame the grog...
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Old 20th Nov 2023, 02:24
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Trefgarne aged 82 is the longest serving peer in the Lords having succeded to his hereditary peerage in 1962 and elected a life peer open Lords reform
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
If the Trefgarne chap we're discussing is the one I'm thinking of, he used to pilot his own De Havilland Dove. He brought it into LBA a couple of times about 20- 25 years ago. I've seen the same Dove much more recently but I think with different owners.
No doubt the same Dove that he flew into at least one Brooklands Museum fly-in in 1999:


I briefly got to chat to him a few years ago and mentioned this occasion to him, his reply: "oh yes, we were younger then...". 😉
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Old 20th Nov 2023, 10:11
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G-ARHW was the BAe Woodford based Dove....I used to fly it!
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Old 20th Nov 2023, 10:33
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It was owned by Pacelink Ltd between 1995 and 2007, a Lord Trefgarne company!
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.......and Charles Masefield was a senior Director at BAe Woodford at the time I flew it.
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Old 22nd Nov 2023, 10:16
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Trefield International Airlines

Nostalgic thread and I too wonder if we are talking about the same chap.

Same name appears linked to a number of failed aviation projects. There was a link to James Hunt (UK F1 Champ) and they were both involved in what looked like a highly attractive N Atlantic Op outa Luton. I didn't apply once I found out who was behind it only because all other efforts by Lord T had gone belly up !

If we are talking about the same bod, F/O in BIA (don't think so) to Lord based on Hereditary connection and a call from a serving PM brings all the other chat about boys clubs, Lodges, links, old schools into the 'nudge, nudge, wink wink'.- scenario.

Just tried for a post as Xmas GPO delivery Guy (handful of jobs) but ir really does depend on who you know..

Hereditary Peerage. Wow................I know my place.................
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Trefgarne succeded his father, a Liberal then Labour Peer in 1960 and took his seat in the Lords in 1962 when he was 21, opting to sit on the Conservative benches. He was appointed as a Whip by Thatcher in 1979.

Hope I might be forgiven a link to elsewhere but this is an article about Masefield, Trefgarne and the Mustang...
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 00:38
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 03:47
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Originally Posted by Gordomac
Nostalgic thread and I too wonder if we are talking about the same chap.

Same name appears linked to a number of failed aviation projects. There was a link to James Hunt (UK F1 Champ) and they were both involved in what looked like a highly attractive N Atlantic Op outa Luton. I didn't apply once I found out who was behind it only because all other efforts by Lord T had gone belly up !

If we are talking about the same bod, F/O in BIA (don't think so) to Lord based on Hereditary connection and a call from a serving PM brings all the other chat about boys clubs, Lodges, links, old schools into the 'nudge, nudge, wink wink'.- scenario.

Just tried for a post as Xmas GPO delivery Guy (handful of jobs) but ir really does depend on who you know..

Hereditary Peerage. Wow................I know my place.................
James Hunt was connected to Lord Hesketh.
Trefgarne was definitely a BIA FO at one point
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 09:32
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Treffield International Airlines

bean; Thanks. Hesketh was the chap. Before I got into the pointy end , I was a Moretons, BUIA, BIA Duty Officer at Gatters, off & on. !968-1971.. Don't recall a Trefgarne. The Blackpool Base tended to look after itself though, if he was there in the same time frame.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 10:45
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I was at BIA/Air UK BLK (ops) 1979-1981, but there was no Trefgarne there at that time. I did a brief spell at LGW (early 1981), but likewise don't remember him there, either
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I was in BIA Ops at LGW 1973-78 and don't recall Trefgarne. If he did work for BIA that leaves a time frame of possibly 1972 or thereabouts..........BUIA changed its name to BIA in July 1970.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 15:26
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David Trefgarne was LGW-based 1978-79. Nice bloke.
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Ah Good ..... I left BIA in May 1978 so he probably joined at about that time.
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