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Old 27th Oct 2023, 18:51
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Boeing 707, 727 and 737 fuselage cross-sections.

For the 707, Boeing employed what looks like (head-on) an oval shape cross-section. The 727 used an apparently perfectly circular section. The 737 saw a reversion to the 707 style. Does anybody know why Boeing didn't stick to one design for its narrowbodies ?

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Does anybody know why Boeing didn't stick to one design for its narrowbodies ?
They did.
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It's a double bubble - top and bottom are cylinders of different radii with a floor to take up the difference in load - picture a round section pulled inward by the floor. It allows more width at the shoulder height of the passengers which allows more seats across the width. It probably requires a small weight increase over a circular section. For a large enough diameter it is less useful.
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Thankyou Mech, that's what I thought. I work extensively with 737s and have noticed the double bubble. It just seems strange that Boeing abandoned that particular design for the 727 and then took it up again for the 737.
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
It just seems strange that Boeing abandoned that particular design for the 727 and then took it up again for the 737.
They didn't - where did you see that the 727 had a circular cross-section? The 747 was the first commercial jetliner that used a circular cross-section.
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
Thankyou Mech, that's what I thought. I work extensively with 737s and have noticed the double bubble. It just seems strange that Boeing abandoned that particular design for the 727 and then took it up again for the 737.
Read my earlier post. The 727 fuselage is the same double-bubble as the 707/737. It's not circular.
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As has been said above, the forward fuselage of the 707, 727 and the 737 is the same.
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The 747 was the first commercial jetliner that used a circular cross-section.
No, not by a long chalk - it was the first Boeing with a circular section fuselage.
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
It's a double bubble - top and bottom are cylinders of different radii with a floor to take up the difference in load - picture a round section pulled inward by the floor. It allows more width at the shoulder height of the passengers which allows more seats across the width. It probably requires a small weight increase over a circular section. For a large enough diameter it is less useful.
In my dim and distant past I remember it being called a 'crease beam'. I think.
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Originally Posted by tdracer
They didn't - where did you see that the 727 had a circular cross-section? The 747 was the first commercial jetliner that used a circular cross-section.
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No, not by a long chalk - it was the first Boeing with a circular section fuselage.
and for extra emphasis I can point out that the first commercial jetliner (i.e. the de Havilland Comet) used a circular cross-section
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Diagrams I have seen from various spotter books over the decades. I can't reproduce them here but the head-on view of the 707 and 737 are identical, i.e. double bubble or oval shaped and the 727 is a perfect circular section. Either the books are wrong or I am.
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The Stratocruiser also had the double bubble and in fact design studies to develop it into a swept wing jet transport led to the 367-80 "707" prototype, which retained the same diameter upper bubble as the Stratocruiser. The upper bubble width was increased for the C-135 and again for the 707 so there was space for six abreast seating.

Sad that I never flew on a 707/720.
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Cross Section of Boeing 727 in Syracuse Airport

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The DH Comet was circular.
I think the Boeing 757 has the same section as the 707/727/737. It started life as a stretched 727 with a Tee tail and two rear mounted engines, then morphed into the aircraft we know today.
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
Diagrams I have seen from various spotter books over the decades. I can't reproduce them here but the head-on view of the 707 and 737 are identical, i.e. double bubble or oval shaped and the 727 is a perfect circular section. Either the books are wrong or I am.
You are, I'm afraid.

All the Boeing civil narrow bodies have a fuselage 148" wide and 158" high.

But don't take my word for it, take Boeing's:


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Originally Posted by treadigraph
The upper bubble width was increased for the C-135 and again for the 707 so there was space for six abreast seating.
Actually, the C-135 has a circular cross-section, just to be awkward.
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Originally Posted by Allan Lupton
and for extra emphasis I can point out that the first commercial jetliner (i.e. the de Havilland Comet) used a circular cross-section
Followed by the circular Caravelle, Trident and One-Eleven.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
No, not by a long chalk - it was the first Boeing with a circular section fuselage.
Yea, I stand corrected - I meant to write the first Boeing with a circular cross section. I guess I had a senior moment because I honestly thought that's what I wrote until I came back to this .
As for the KC-135 - it wasn't commercial...
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Originally Posted by tdracer
As for the KC-135 - it wasn't commercial...
No, but it was something of a step between the 367-80 and the 707, though I'd never noticed it doesn't have the double bubble.

DC-8 and DC-9 also are double bubbled though I believe the 9 has a smaller cross section.
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Originally Posted by tdracer
As for the KC-135 - it wasn't commercial...
Indeed it wasn't - hence my careful choice of words:

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
All the Boeing civil narrow bodies have a fuselage 148" wide and 158" high.

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