Lockheed Jetstar
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Yeah, apparently N6NE ended up on the fire dump at Southampton...
TCU, back in my enthisiast (spotting) days early 60s a couple of fellow fans and I sneaked up to the edge of the long gone, once famous 'Fields' hangar, at LHR (around where T4 is now) to see the the same FAA jetstar. A super cool plane back then- and the FAAs private jet with the incredible N1 registration . As a spotter you were never ever going to surpass that.
As has been pointed out the Sabreliner was a contemporary but in place of four jets and big extrernal wing tanks all it could offer was a rather odd cockpit with too much glazing (ie the roof) and weird Caravelle style triangular cabin windows.
As has been pointed out the Sabreliner was a contemporary but in place of four jets and big extrernal wing tanks all it could offer was a rather odd cockpit with too much glazing (ie the roof) and weird Caravelle style triangular cabin windows.
The Sabreliner supposedly shared the same wing as the F86 Sabre
It may have looked odd but was popular with its crews for its rugged design and good handling
The Jetstar was a very handsome aircraft, an unusual design with the aforementioned fixed horizontal stabilizer attached to a moving vertical fin, those huge slipper tanks and unusually pneumatic boots for anti ice
The cockpit is well designed with a place for everything but there isn’t a square millimeter to spare, typical Lockheed design in that it’s highly complex and completely different than anything anyone else has ever built
Andre Agassi had a TFE731 version for a while
The cockpit is well designed with a place for everything but there isn’t a square millimeter to spare, typical Lockheed design in that it’s highly complex and completely different than anything anyone else has ever built
Andre Agassi had a TFE731 version for a while
The original batch of Jetstars including LBJ's VC-140 had severe wiring problems "Wet Wie Fies" was the term used. Some poor wiring installations at GLAC left damaged insulation especially around wire bundle (looms) clamps. In the presence of moisture the coppers would dissolve and literally plate itself, not something wanted. to ground. This formed a thin film heater, something you didn't want.
LASI NY stripped the interiors and completely rewired the affected aircraft. On LBJ's aircraft we did not reinstall the regular interior. LBJ hadn't liked it so it ferried to Texas, I think to Horton and Horton.
I was the Production Controller on LBJ's aircraft assigning work to Crew Chiefs. A lot of manhours expended. Glad to see that the old bird is till around and looks as pristine as back in the 1960's as part of SAMFLEET.
Lockheed loved rubber deicer boots for some reason. Of course, the wing was small and thin and running pneumatic air through the leading edges would have taken space.
LASI NY stripped the interiors and completely rewired the affected aircraft. On LBJ's aircraft we did not reinstall the regular interior. LBJ hadn't liked it so it ferried to Texas, I think to Horton and Horton.
I was the Production Controller on LBJ's aircraft assigning work to Crew Chiefs. A lot of manhours expended. Glad to see that the old bird is till around and looks as pristine as back in the 1960's as part of SAMFLEET.
Lockheed loved rubber deicer boots for some reason. Of course, the wing was small and thin and running pneumatic air through the leading edges would have taken space.
When I first saw this thread I thought the Jetstar was a type I had never seen. In fact I have seen at least one. I particularly remember N3080 which visited Yeadon (aka Leeds/Braford) a couple of times in the 1980s. The aircraft was owned by Saheen Saheen of World Carpets. He visited the International Carpet Fair held in nearby Harrogate. I regularly attended the Carpet Fair during my career in the carpet industry. .
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Re the F-86/T-39 wing connection (which is correct as I understood it), do the Mystere fighter and Mystere/Falcon 20 share the same basic wing?
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I saw a Jetstar a couple of times at Gatwick in the very early 70s. The same one twice maybe three times, can't recall the operator but have a strange feeling it was D- registered?? Or memory might be playing up.
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West German AF had three I think, don't recall any civvy ones, guess they would have been D-A*** or B***. I do recall an American one as a regular at Gatwick mid 1970s, might have been N8WJ or something like that - there was a Jet Commander that was pretty regular too that I recall.
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This may be a silly question but I'll ask anyway..
What's the advantage (if any) of having a moving vertical fin? And are there any other aircraft with a similar system?
What's the advantage (if any) of having a moving vertical fin? And are there any other aircraft with a similar system?
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As chevvron says in post #2, Nigel Mansell used to have one based at Exeter, convenient for his Woodbury golf course in the early nineties. I remember having it breathing down my neck once as I taxied out in a C172. I don't think I have any photos of it, but I'll look.