Photo of Pan Am Constellation 88836
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Photo of Pan Am Constellation 88836
Can anybody out there advise how to find owners of copyright (RA Scholefield) of a photo of the above aircraft? I have tried to contact them through numerous emails for permission to include the photo in my book. It has to be a photo of the above aircraft.
All ideas gratefully received.
All ideas gratefully received.
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Originally Posted by Grumpyauldgit
Can anybody out there advise how to find owners of copyright (RA Scholefield) of a photo of the above aircraft? I have tried to contact them through numerous emails for permission to include the photo in my book. It has to be a photo of the above aircraft.
All ideas gratefully received.
All ideas gratefully received.
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
Why the X through the C in NC88836?
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Does not the X signify Experimental? The X is probably tape which would be removed when the aircraft was no longer experimental revealing the C underneath.
I note that the photograph in question is attributed to the "RA Scholefield Collection" which could mean that he wasn't the original photographer anyway.
I note that the photograph in question is attributed to the "RA Scholefield Collection" which could mean that he wasn't the original photographer anyway.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
There's a good chance the original photographer may no longer be with us. I have a number of photographs on various sites which I presume will be out there until the site closes.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
There's a good chance the original photographer may no longer be with us. I have a number of photographs on various sites which I presume will be out there until the site closes.
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Have you tried contacting his publishers???
I have one of his books published in 1998 and from one of his dated photographs within he was born in 1936.
I have one of his books published in 1998 and from one of his dated photographs within he was born in 1936.
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This might be helpful, as to generally what you could/should do:
Copyright notice: digital images, photographs and the internet - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
Copyright notice: digital images, photographs and the internet - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
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Originally Posted by Fris B. Fairing
Does not the X signify Experimental? The X is probably tape which would be removed when the aircraft was no longer experimental revealing the C underneath.
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Originally Posted by Discorde
Alternatively the 'X' merely cancelled the 'C' (commercial?) when the registration system changed from 'NC' to 'N' for all US registered commercial aircraft.
The photo was taken prior to entry into service, after which the aircraft wore the NC... registration, the tape presumably having been removed then.
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Originally Posted by Discorde
Alternatively the 'X' merely cancelled the 'C' (commercial?) when the registration system changed from 'NC' to 'N' for all US registered commercial aircraft.
Is the photo at Burbank ?
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The NX registration prefix indicates that the aircraft is experimental, others were "NC", standard; "NR", restricted; "NL", limited. Can still be used today per the following.
https://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_G...7?OpenDocument
Sec. 45.22
Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
(a) When display of aircraft nationality and registration marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 would be inconsistent with exhibition of that aircraft, a U.S.-registered aircraft may be operated without displaying those marks anywhere on the aircraft if:
(1) It is operated for the purpose of exhibition, including a motion picture or television production, or an airshow;
(2) Except for practice and test fights necessary for exhibition purposes, it is operated only at the location of the exhibition, between the exhibition locations, and between those locations and the base of operations of the aircraft; and
(3) For each flight in the United States:
(i) It is operated with the prior approval of the Flight Standards District Office, in the case of a flight within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for the takeoff airport, or within 4.4 nautical miles of that airport if it is within
Class G airspace; or
(ii) It is operated under a flight plan filed under either Sec. 91.153 or Sec. 91.169 of this chapter describing the marks it displays, in the case of any other flight.
(b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
(1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
(ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental) followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
(2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere on the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
(c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of this section--
(1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33;
(2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that operation; or
[(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of this chapter.]
(d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for a person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33, he may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
(a) When display of aircraft nationality and registration marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 would be inconsistent with exhibition of that aircraft, a U.S.-registered aircraft may be operated without displaying those marks anywhere on the aircraft if:
(1) It is operated for the purpose of exhibition, including a motion picture or television production, or an airshow;
(2) Except for practice and test fights necessary for exhibition purposes, it is operated only at the location of the exhibition, between the exhibition locations, and between those locations and the base of operations of the aircraft; and
(3) For each flight in the United States:
(i) It is operated with the prior approval of the Flight Standards District Office, in the case of a flight within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for the takeoff airport, or within 4.4 nautical miles of that airport if it is within
Class G airspace; or
(ii) It is operated under a flight plan filed under either Sec. 91.153 or Sec. 91.169 of this chapter describing the marks it displays, in the case of any other flight.
(b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
(1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
(ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental) followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
(2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere on the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
(c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of this section--
(1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33;
(2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that operation; or
[(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of this chapter.]
(d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for a person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33, he may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
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Originally Posted by Grumpyauldgit
Can anybody out there advise how to find owners of copyright (RA Scholefield) of a photo of the above aircraft? I have tried to contact them through numerous emails for permission to include the photo in my book. It has to be a photo of the above aircraft.
All ideas gratefully received.
All ideas gratefully received.
Pan American World Airways’ first Lockheed L-049 Constellation, NC88836, serial number 2036, photographed at Lockheed Air Terminal, Burbank, California in December 1945. It is temporarily marked NX88836. (Lockheed Martin photograph . . . .
Mr Scholefield may have collected a 'hard copy' of the picture but don't think that gives him copyright. I suggest credit 'Lockheed Martin' and publish and be damned!
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Originally Posted by Fournierf5
. . . a simple goggle shows tt picture on various websites [most uncredited] but one shows this:
Pan American World Airways’ first Lockheed L-049 Constellation, NC88836, serial number 2036, photographed at Lockheed Air Terminal, Burbank, California in December 1945. It is temporarily marked NX88836. (Lockheed Martin photograph . . . .
Mr Scholefield may have collected a 'hard copy' of the picture but don't think that gives him copyright. I suggest credit 'Lockheed Martin' and publish and be damned!
Pan American World Airways’ first Lockheed L-049 Constellation, NC88836, serial number 2036, photographed at Lockheed Air Terminal, Burbank, California in December 1945. It is temporarily marked NX88836. (Lockheed Martin photograph . . . .
Mr Scholefield may have collected a 'hard copy' of the picture but don't think that gives him copyright. I suggest credit 'Lockheed Martin' and publish and be damned!
