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Victor Barrel-Roll?

Old 8th Oct 2021, 21:14
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Victor Barrel-Roll?

I've seen, in various places, including Wiki, that a Victor was barrel-rolled at Farnborough. We've probably all seen Roly Falk do it in the Vulcan, but I've never found any details of the Victor.

Does anyone have further information, and perhaps a link? If anyone did do it, my money goes on "Spud" Murphy
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 01:54
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Flight Global (archives no longer available) say that during practice for the 1958 Farnborough display the Victor performed several rolls and loops. Nothing said about doing them during the actual display, though the article is titled "Farnborough Week: The most Memorable S.B.A.C. Display Yet", so it probably did. There is a video of a Vulcan doing a a half loop with a roll off the top.

Edit to add video of both Victor and Vulcan doing the LABS type delivery at the '58 show.


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1958

The year I joined as a boy entrant to get near aeroplanes!That was avery good video!!
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What is that compact helicopter at 6.00 minutes please?
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What is that compact helicopter at 6.00 minutes please?
Fairey 'Ultra Light' powered by (I believe) a Turbomeca Palouste engine driven by compressed air exhausting through the rotor tips thus not requiring any form of torque control such as a tail rotor.
Simple but never developed further with only 6 built and the Army ordering the Skeeter instead.
Faireys did try to develop a civil variant but government funding was chopped.
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
Fairey 'Ultra Light' powered by (I believe) a Turbomeca Palouste engine driven by compressed air exhausting through the rotor tips thus not requiring any form of torque control such as a tail rotor.
Not just compressed air (à la Djinn), but on the ULH augmented by combustion chambers at the blade tips burning fuel (a system later used on the Gyrodyne).
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I am sure I once saw some black and white footage of a Victor doing a half loop and roll off the top too..whether it was at Farnborough, or some where else, I don't know..
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You'll find there can be a little bit of wing drop at the stall Bloggs
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Originally Posted by Herod View Post
I've seen, in various places, including Wiki, that a Victor was barrel-rolled at Farnborough. We've probably all seen Roly Falk do it in the Vulcan, but I've never found any details of the Victor.
Have a look in Tony Blackman's books about the Victor and Vulcan. I cannot find the correct bit right now, but I recall that he briefly mentions the rivalry between Avro and Handley Page with them both doing aerobatics in their V-bombers.
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I think that that competition ended with the break-up over Syerston.
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……and didn't a. Victor prototype break up , (tail separation) at low level doing calibration runs at Cranfield and an SR 2 break up due overstress during a press day at Wyton ?
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Yes in both cases
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The Victor prototypes was a design fault; no enough bolts holding the tail on. Wyton was rumoured to have been an overcook.
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Fareast driver. Agreed
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Wyton was rumoured to have been an overcook.
From a review of "Victor Boys" in the RAFHS Journal:

"The loss of XM716 over Warboys in front of the TV cameras in 1966 was caused by the brand new Victor being flown far too fast while pulling far too much ‘G’ because, in the words of my first Flight Commander, ‘the captain had left his brain behind on Meteors’."
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I can't add any information about the Victor, but my goodness that video of the Farnborough Airshow, strength upon strength in the UK's aeronautical industry. They had the world in their hands at that point it seemed.
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