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Willy Brandt flight to Berlin 1989

Old 31st Dec 2020, 08:09
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My next guess is CSA.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 12:45
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Iraqi airways Baghdad / SXF / LHR day 6
possibly using a HS Trident ?
LOT also flew WAW/SXF/LHR but may have
made stop in AMS Using IL18 I used the flt
in late 60's from AMS/LHR.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 12:59
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Flight SXF / Ulaanbataar was IF580. started
I believe Summer 1971. not sure of routing...
Thanks for your info on the IF600 via MOW.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 13:31
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I remember Mongolian Airlines serving Mongolia-Schönefeld with their 727 later in the eighties. Their pilots had pretty impressive long winter uniform overcoats.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 16:56
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LS has got it; the other flight was indeed once-weekly on an Iraqi Airways Trident, operating Baghdad-Istanbul-Prague-Berlin SXF-London LHR. Iraqi had been a somewhat unusual purchaser of some of the few Trident 1s that were built for export, they carried on from their earlier Viscounts. Bit of an extraordinary flight though. I wonder how many actually boarded it at Schonefeld to go to London. The scheduled time was much faster than LOT posted on their IL-18 turboprop.

ia70-3.jpg (1106×1267) (timetableimages.com)
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 17:32
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The Lot IL18 I recall on the AMS/LHR sector had
around 14 pax on board. It was as smoky inside
as it was outside, with a thick exhaust from the
Ivchenko engines. The guy sitting behind me was
American, and amazed that free drinks were being
offered. I flew in recent years with Eurolot on an
ATR (not my favourite a.c.) and found LOT very
acceptable, and cabin staff very polite and professional.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 18:47
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LOT was permitted to use the center corridor on the way west from Schönefeld but Iraqi? They must have gone north via Trent VOR, Rügen island via the Baltic Sea, North Sea to the UK and down south towards EGLL.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:23
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Dear WHBM.
Did you find any information about Interflug IF580 SXF/ULN
Summer 1971, which the CIA reported not showing in the
ABC or AOG world guides ? Was it showing in their DDR
Timetable ? I found the CIA Library reports on Interflug
DDR Aviation, and SXF very accurate apart from the report
on the crash of Baade 152 DM-ZYA on 4th March 1959
at 13.55hrs 5 miles from Dresden. There were around 20
a/c in production ordered by Deutsche Lufthansa Ost, which
became Interflug when the production was cancelled, and
IF having no option but buy the TU134. The Aviation Safety
Network page reports problem with fuel flow. This appears
to me, to have been a problem that could have been
rectified after the loss of DM-DYA, and drastic action to
stop the production of this beautiful aircraft.
Re. The Lot IL18 SXF/LHR. Do you have the routing of this
flight and the times of Dep from SXF and arr. in LHR ?

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I found flt no's SXF/LHR LO245 12.00 14.10 IL18 Days 2&5
SXF/LHR LO255 09.30 13.00 IL18 Flt via AMS.

I found no record of IF580 SXF/ULN.

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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 12:43
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As nothing heard re. Burgermeister return to Wildenrath 10th Nov.1989
I presume they went by road, as CGN/Wildenrath only 1hr10min drive.
I imagine they were grateful to the RAF for flying them to CGN in an
Andover during the morning.

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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 20:07
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The timetable for the SXF to London flights in 1970 is here :

if70-08.jpg (1909×1338) (timetableimages.com)

The Interflug timetable actually included every flight into the GDR by foreign airlines. This was not uncommon in those times, not just in the eastern bloc but elsewhere as well - the Finnair timetable, so example, did the same for everything which went to Finland, whether officially in pool or not. I suspect the ABC was not allowed in the GDR.

Regarding flights not in the timetable, Interflug did of course do whatever the GDR government required for "special" flights, which could be all sorts. As elsewhere. At the time one would regularly find Pan Am 707s in Mildenhall. Which was never in the Pan Am timetable either ...
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 11:37
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WHBM.
Thanks for the info.
The possible involvement by the GDR government is exactly my point.
The IF600 SXF/MOS with connection MOS/ULN was shown in guides
and their t/t. the IF580 as stated by the CIA was not.
Pan Am Mildenhall flights were charters, and can't really be compared
to the IF580 schedule flight. Charter flights would not have appeared in
PA's scheduled timetable.
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Iraqi HST took 1hr. 55min SXF/LHR without the Corridor.
LOT IL18 took 3hr. 00min SXF/LHR much slower a/c and difficult to
compare with similar a/c such as Vanguard. as BE operated Viscount
on the svc, and it operated via HAJ, and would have used the Corridor.

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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 12:05
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Three hours? That's a long flight. What speed did they cruise at? Flaps down all the way - and film rolling? Fulda gap in 3D?
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 12:19
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Hi Less Hair.
IL18 388 mph
Vanguard 400 mph
Viscount 357 mph (810 srs.)
Trident 610 mph
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Was Sarkozy really in Berlin on Nov. 9th 1989 ?
Sarkozy, then 34 years old and deputy leader of
the Conservative party "RPR" said that he had
received "Interesting news from Berlin, apparently
heralding change in the divided capital" He set off
to Berlin with political ally Alain Juppe,
His visit culminated with him hacking at the wall
with his pickaxe.
http://www.dw.com/en/memory-loss-sar...nder/a-4878717
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