WW2 Post award photograph maybe?
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WW2 Post award photograph maybe?
Whilst trawling through my Father's aviation papers I came upon this photograph. My Dad was not one for keeping wartime memorabilia so it must have had some significance for him (He was killed in '58, Hermes G-ALDV) so I was interested in finding out some more about the gentlemen in this photograph. They are all post tour (I assume) - most have the DFC and they are not all pilots. Ranks are from pilot officer to squadron leader. On the original I can spot Air Gunners, Observers, Navigators and there are a couple of 'S' (Signaller). What I would like to find out is the where, when and why? Gordon finished his tour on 27/12/44 as a Flying Officer and was released from active service 16/1/47 as a Flight Lieutenant so the time the photograph was taken must be between those two dates. He was awarded the DFC as a F/L date unknown, missed the King, got award by post maybee? On 31/8/45 he was a Flying Officer but in the photo he is hiding his rank rings! . Oh and the large guy in the front row with the fine but unruly moustache has I think, a pair of pathfinder wings. After his tour Gordon went onto: Conversion Unit GIF Silverstone; 12 OTU, Chipping Warden; 84 (or 85) OTU Husbands Bosworth, and finally 17 OTU Silverstone.
I guess this is a long shot with not much to go on - anyone recognise anything on this photograph? Even down to the magnificent tin shed that probably, like so many, hung on so bravely after the war
I guess this is a long shot with not much to go on - anyone recognise anything on this photograph? Even down to the magnificent tin shed that probably, like so many, hung on so bravely after the war
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Also shows how one's stature is ruled by a very variable swarm of unruly genes! Just cannot get over the differences in height, and the shapes the face assumes in growing men. Also this was the age of large (generous) trousers. And I wonder if the background "shed" is one of the ubiquitous Nissan huts from the Great War period.
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Fascinating photograph, thanks for posting it. The lack of foliage on the tree in the photo would rule out it being taken in the summer months, not sure if that helps at all.Fenced off flower bed on the left would seem to indicate a station rather than squadron building maybe? I am also intrigued that although they are all wearing No1 HD there is considerable variation and informality about the photo. Some carrying coats and gloves, some wearing gloves, another with a sheet of paper (?) and one with a cigarette. It has the air of a quickly taken memento rather than an official photograph.
I too would love to know the occaision.
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I too would love to know the occaision.
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I do wonder if it is a Guardroom - I know it is not the standard type of RAF Guardroom but possibly they used a Nissen type building as such on some 'temporary' (ie wartime only) Airfields.
Smallest signaller, front row with gloves; reminiscent of 'Monty' who commanded our ATC unit - Biggleswade.
Took a hit in a Halifax; possibly flying from Tempsford. Many old / temporary huts around the airfield and at the camp on the hill in Everton - WRAF, thence temp PoW.
My first memory of 'home'; our family squatted in the medical unit until houses were built in the village.
Took a hit in a Halifax; possibly flying from Tempsford. Many old / temporary huts around the airfield and at the camp on the hill in Everton - WRAF, thence temp PoW.
My first memory of 'home'; our family squatted in the medical unit until houses were built in the village.
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So now we have to identify the flowers which might enable us to identify the season / month. My guess is Dahlias for the left hand border and small roses in the right hand border against the wall of the guardhouse. The AG on the far right also has a scroll/bit of rolled up paper. The fence and stone work has recently received the whitewash treatment, so obviously a prestigeous entrance with its double doors.
I will put the original through Photoshop and see what magic that can achieve!
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I will put the original through Photoshop and see what magic that can achieve!
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Hi David
I was looking at the 2 chaps with bits of paper in their hands last night and was speculating that they could be 'Clearance Chits' ( RAF personnel had to 'clear' from each station/unit' by getting signed off from the relevant station sections) - so perhaps 3 x crews have completed training and clearing from station ??
Of course it is pure speculation on my part - the papers could be anything
I was looking at the 2 chaps with bits of paper in their hands last night and was speculating that they could be 'Clearance Chits' ( RAF personnel had to 'clear' from each station/unit' by getting signed off from the relevant station sections) - so perhaps 3 x crews have completed training and clearing from station ??
Of course it is pure speculation on my part - the papers could be anything
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The flowers rule out Chipping Warden because Gordon was only there in the last half of January 45. There is a scattering of ranks from Pilot Officer to Wing Commander - the pilot with the Pathfinders Badge. Assuming that a DFC was given to the Captain after a tour, the Pathfinder has not got his yet! There are also a number of other awards that I have not identified.
Looking through the window - is that a wooded hill - does Silverstone have such a hill. I forgot to look when I was there 24/7/71!
Thank you for all your interesting comments
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Looking through the window - is that a wooded hill - does Silverstone have such a hill. I forgot to look when I was there 24/7/71!
Thank you for all your interesting comments
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But no NCOs - strange for crews of big aeroplanes
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Your photo is very evocative of the period, and I think I maybe able to help identify the location. The gentleman on the extreme right maybe Stan Hathaway, who was a Navigator in Halifax's flying from Tempsford. He definitely looks like him, and if the photo is of Tempsford that would fit. He was shot down over France on 22nd July 1943 I believe, and met my Father in POW camp, and they subsequently escaped together in 1945, and he was my Fathers best man hence my knowledge about him.
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Your photo is very evocative of the period, and I think I maybe able to help identify the location. The gentleman on the extreme right maybe Stan Hathaway, who was a Navigator in Halifax's flying from Tempsford. He definitely looks like him, and if the photo is of Tempsford that would fit. He was shot down over France on 22nd July 1943 I believe, and met my Father in POW camp, and they subsequently escaped together in 1945, and he was my Fathers best man hence my knowledge about him.
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Or maybe it was taken at No. 3 (Pilot) Advanced Flying Unit (3 (P)AFU), at Lulsgate Bottom - end of course 18 June 1945 - probably not - too many non-pilots!
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