British Aerospace ATP (Advance Turbo Prop)
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Very wise. However, if anybody felt so inclined, they could, I suppose, work out the correlation of the vibration frequency of the horizontal stab to their meal vibrating across the seat table....that would keep you occupied when, as has been correctly stated, a headwind component was involved .
On a more serious note, we were always led to believe the stab vibration issues came close to negating certification .
Very wise. However, if anybody felt so inclined, they could, I suppose, work out the correlation of the vibration frequency of the horizontal stab to their meal vibrating across the seat table....that would keep you occupied when, as has been correctly stated, a headwind component was involved .
On a more serious note, we were always led to believe the stab vibration issues came close to negating certification .
Yep did a few hours in the J31's as well (WWW and KP) - mostly Dunsfold to Wet Through,a very civilised way to travel to scotland - much nicer than driving to London and flying (say) BA up to GLA and then driving down to W Freugh.The Flight Deck Curtain was invariably open and I do not recall ever being able to see the runway on finals - until the driver kicked off the drift for touch down 
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. Yep did a few hours in the J31's as well (WWW and KP) - mostly Dunsfold to Wet Through,a very civilised way to travel to scotland - much nicer than driving to London and flying (say) BA up to GLA and then driving down to W Freugh.The Flight Deck Curtain was invariably open and I do not recall ever being able to see the runway on finals - until the driver kicked off the drift for touch down .
.I flew on one of the Eastern J31s when the 145 had its documentation issues last year and I have to say it brought home to me just how noisy and uncomfortable those things were, but it didn't make me hate the 145 any less.
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I see that I first paxed on this machine in 1994 with Manx LHR to IOM. LA\ter doing many trips from LTN to IOM. All of the above comments made me laugh. For a 45/60 minute sector it was OK. But so much nicer when the 146 came along - once the flaps had been stowed that is 
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When I worked in BA in the late 80s/early 90s we schedued them on Internal German Services from Berlin to replace the budgies (HS748). Everyone hated them as they had a terrible availability record. The comment from Germany was "how did the the company that built the Lancaster build this?"
One Farnborough airshow, the BAE paperwork included J31, J41 and J61, the J61 when it arrived turning out to be just a tarted up ATP (glass cockpit etc so I'm told) which was visually the same from the outside so they fooled no-one!
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Yes, they had a reshuffle, because they closed Hatfield the De Havilland 146 production moved to Woodford to become an Avro, the Advanced Technical Problem moved to 'Scottish Aviation' Prestwick to become a Jetstream, it was pathetic, they changed identitities purely based on where they would be manufacturing them that week, that month, or that year!
The ATP (badged by then as Jetstream 61) move to Prestwick was a fiasco. The first 62 aircraft had been built at Woodford. No 63 was actually assembled at Prestwick and delivered to an airline in Korea, though the fuselage had been trucked up from Woodford. It was the only one built at Prestwick which was sold. No 64 built the same way, flew as a demonstrator for a year or so (likely the one you saw at Farnborough), then scrapped. No 65 was also a Woodford fuselage but abandoned incomplete at Prestwick. Fuselages for 66 to 75 started production at Prestwick but were also scrapped incomplete. What a costly waste.
I think it was Propliner magazine that described going along on the last Viscount flight ever by one of its operators (BMA ? Manx ?), late 1980s, and they actually managed to slowly overtake an ATP running parallel beneath them.
I think it was Propliner magazine that described going along on the last Viscount flight ever by one of its operators (BMA ? Manx ?), late 1980s, and they actually managed to slowly overtake an ATP running parallel beneath them.
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