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Old 5th May 2018, 17:26
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Question Vulcan Access Ladders?

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In the Operational days when the Vulcans were flying, I understand that the crew lower entry ladder was folded up and was put in the bomb aimers position if going abroad or stowed on base if flying in the UK and returning to it's homebase. What if say for example it was flying from Waddington and for some unforeseen reason had to land somewhere else in the UK. How would the crew get out and back into the aircraft without the lower section of the ladder.

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Originally Posted by chevvron
Only ladder I've seen was attached to the door and extended when the door opened.
AFAIK, Vulcans never flew with the ladder attached to the inside of the door, because sliding down the opened door was the way the three chaps in the back would bale out in an emergency.

Given that the "bomb aimer" position in the Vulcan was redundant, it was used to stow a ladder to be used on detachments. It may well be that one was kept there permanently. On departure from base, whether returning or not, the ladder used to enter the aircraft would be removed and retained by the ground crew - you can see that here at about 1:20

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Blimey...thanks Dave ..bit busy ATM so I’ll catch catch that video later but at first glance that looks like my old uni/UAS mate AD on the left of that “thumbnail” in your post.
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The ladder just hooked onto the door, nothing complicated. I don’t ever recall flying without it on board. I do know that rather than bother stowing it once the door was closed, some crews merely unhooked it and left it on the door. It was a bigger gotcha if the rear crew didn’t move the flight deck ladder back to the central position and you didn’t check before descending. It was a long way to the ground as a few pilots found out.

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Originally Posted by Yellow Sun
I do know that rather than bother stowing it once the door was closed, some crews merely unhooked it and left it on the door.
Yes, I've read a reference to taking the pip pins out and turning the ladder over. That way if worst happened and the door needed to be opened in flight, the ladder would fall away and so not get in the way of the crew baling out (which I believe only happened once).
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Yes, I've read a reference to taking the pip pins out and turning the ladder over. That way if worst happened and the door needed to be opened in flight, the ladder would fall away and so not get in the way of the crew baling out (which I believe only happened once).
Fortunately the crew that opened the entrance door instead of the bomb doors on the fly past following a scramble for an RCDS display at Waddington had stowed the ladder. Didn’t stop the Nav Radar eventually making Air rank though. Losing the ladder would certainly have ruined his career prospects

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Losing the rations box should have scuppered any nav rad's career prospects. Was it an RCDS visit or a farewell CinC SAC?
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RCDS 28 Sep 70, we were watching from the A15. The next day we were sent to Scampton to collect the aircraft and return it to Waddington.

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I don’t recall ever removing the ladder on a “starter crew” as we called it when assigned to getting one away. The crew would need it wherever they landed - even back at base. We certainly didn’t have a stack of removed ladders back in the line huts.

We didn’t have SMG toting guards wandering about near the aircraft either, not even on QRA. Just the odd plod with his dog and the ammunition for his Browning Hi-Power pistol wrapped up in grease proof paper.
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep
I don’t recall ever removing the ladder on a “starter crew” as we called it when assigned to getting one away. The crew would need it wherever they landed - even back at base. We certainly didn’t have a stack of removed ladders back in the line huts.
Do you mean that it was stowed by the crew, or that the aircraft flew with it still mounted on the inside of the door ?
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Normally removed from the door latchings by the Nav. Rad. once the door was closed and either turned "up-side down" on the door, or "stowed" (for want of a better word!) in the old nose visual bombing position or where the Captain directed. We never left it mounted on the entrance door for obvious reasons!!
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