Charter airline visits to Leeds Bradford, 1960s and 1970s
Did LBA ever take Manchester diversions of the BA Shuttle, which were among the last Trident operations ?
I seem to recall two overruns (nothing too serious) of the extended runway, one a Wardair 747 and the other a British Airtours Tristar. Am I ciorrect ? And if so for the latter, was that a diversion as well ?
I seem to recall two overruns (nothing too serious) of the extended runway, one a Wardair 747 and the other a British Airtours Tristar. Am I ciorrect ? And if so for the latter, was that a diversion as well ?
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LBA certainly hosted the BA 1-11s before and after the runway extension, usually when the Manchester weather was unsuitable. One night in early 1987 more or less the whole Manchester-510 fleet nightstopped at LBA.
Wardair never had an overrun incident at LBA. BMA did twice with Viscounts in 1980 and British Airtours once with a TriStar in 1985. All these flights, including Wardair, were regular schedules.
Wardair never had an overrun incident at LBA. BMA did twice with Viscounts in 1980 and British Airtours once with a TriStar in 1985. All these flights, including Wardair, were regular schedules.
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Tristar incident was 27/5/85 with a flight from Palma to LBA - charter. There had been a rain shower and the A/C ran of the end of the runway damaging front gear and grounding both wing mounted engines. Accident report mentioned poor adhesion on runway and restrained reverse thrust available on this type. Only took an interest as I was due to fly out of their later that day with BMI and had to go to MAN.
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Tristar incident was 27/5/85 with a flight from Palma to LBA - charter. There had been a rain shower and the A/C ran of the end of the runway damaging front gear and grounding both wing mounted engines. Accident report mentioned poor adhesion on runway and restrained reverse thrust available on this type.
incredible the Btours tristar was repaired after the LBA overrun - if the a/c had been a few years older I doubt the expense was worth the bother
the flight was in fact iirc the very first inbound of a Palma W pattern charter series of the season - I do not think they came back in again with heavies - or did they?
BMA we had 2 viscount landing incidents both in poor weather 80/81 - one a/c G-AZLT was basically a w/off but we rebuild it with wings from a retired viscount
the flight was in fact iirc the very first inbound of a Palma W pattern charter series of the season - I do not think they came back in again with heavies - or did they?
BMA we had 2 viscount landing incidents both in poor weather 80/81 - one a/c G-AZLT was basically a w/off but we rebuild it with wings from a retired viscount
and the Wardair 747 over run I found was this
Wardair Boeing 747 CF-DJC landing over-run at Windsor, Ontario, on 29 March, 1974
IIRC you were a regular WD traveller and on the 727 too
I loved your PM to me about your WD 727 trips but sadly it got deleted but thank you
I got her on a DBV-LGW sub charter in 1972 (subbing for a BCAL 1-11 500 - BCAL were an a/c down due the Corfu accident)
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The incident with the TriStar was the third or fourth visit of the type. The TriStar flights continued throughout the summer while the aircraft (G-BBAI) was being repaired.
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The other factor in the Tristar incident was a late touchdown. The slope from the Chevin to the threshold can give an impression that the aircraft is low, and there was no ILS in those days. One of the Air Traffic staff was filming it, and gave the film to the AAIB. I recall that touchdown was after the intersection with 10/28 (or whatever it is now). I was flying the F27 from LBA at the time, and we were able to continue operations using 28.
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Home » ASN Aviation Safety WikiBase ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 121576
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Date:27-MAY-1985Time:12:27 UTCType:Lockheed L1011-385-1 TristarOwner/operator:British AirtoursRegistration: G-BBAIC/n / msn: 1102Fatalities:Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 412Other fatalities:0Airplane damage: SubstantialLocation:Leeds Bradford International Airport, Yeadon, West Yorkshire -
United Kingdom Phase: LandingNature
omestic Scheduled PassengerDeparture airport:Palma de Mallorca Airport (PMI/LEPA)Destination airport:Leeds Bradford International Airport (LBA/EGNM)Investigating agency: AIBNarrative:overran the runway surface on landing from Palma after a rain shower. The aircraft was evacuated, with only minor injuries sustained by the 14 crew and 398 passengers. The nose landing gear strut folded backwards during the overrun, leading to severe damage to the underside of the forward fuselage. The undersides of both wing-mounted engines were flattened and both engines suffered ingestion damage. The main wheels of the aircraft also dug deep troughs in the area British Airtours Flight KT 101 overran the end of the runway, damaging the buried airfield lighting cables. The accident report concluded that the overrun was caused by the inability of the aircraft to achieve the appropriate level of braking effectiveness due to restricted thrust reverse options and recommended that both the scheduled wet runway performance of the TriStar and the condition of the surface of runway 14 at Leeds Bradford Airport should be re-examined.
Sources:
1. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...7%20G-BBAI.pdf
2. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...I%20Append.pdf
3. Aircraft registration | UK Civil Aviation Authority
4. Caledonian Airways G-BBAI (Lockheed L-1011 TriStar - MSN 1102) (Ex C-FCXJ ) | Airfleets aviation
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See above re comments on runway and reverse thrust options.
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When did rwy 28 go out of service ? I used it once (well, twice, in/out same day) on the short lived BMA ATR-42 service from London City, around 2004, operated by a wet-leased Air Atlantique aircraft. About 10 passengers each way, which I gather was one of the route's better loads.
Sources:
1. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...7%20G-BBAI.pdf
2. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...I%20Append.pdf
3. Aircraft registration | UK Civil Aviation Authority
4. Caledonian Airways G-BBAI (Lockheed L-1011 TriStar - MSN 1102) (Ex C-FCXJ ) | Airfleets aviation
Dave ReidUK
See above re comments on runway and reverse thrust options.
1. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...7%20G-BBAI.pdf
2. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...I%20Append.pdf
3. Aircraft registration | UK Civil Aviation Authority
4. Caledonian Airways G-BBAI (Lockheed L-1011 TriStar - MSN 1102) (Ex C-FCXJ ) | Airfleets aviation
Dave ReidUK
See above re comments on runway and reverse thrust options.
The first of your links above is to their investigation report. It lists a single probable cause:
"The accident was caused by the failure of the aircraft to achieve the expected level of braking effectiveness on the wet runway"
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RW 10/28 was briefly redesignated 09/27 before decommissioning, which took place about twelve years ago. It was a useful facility for propliners and small jets back in the day. Ideal for Viscounts and Heralds doing short hops to Beauvais and Rotterdam but perhaps not so good for Aer Lingus 1-11s !
Slightly off thread but I gather Stansted was once something of a hotbed for weekend Scandinavian charters so attracted the likes of Scanair and Sterling. Like LBA, this may have been a little before Mediterranean ITs came along.
Slightly off thread but I gather Stansted was once something of a hotbed for weekend Scandinavian charters so attracted the likes of Scanair and Sterling. Like LBA, this may have been a little before Mediterranean ITs came along.
The Sunday afternoon (they all came together) Scandinavian charters into Stansted lasted right through to the start of LCC flights, whose daily operations took their business, in fact they probably peaked in the 1980s just before the new terminal opened, so went into the old (wooden ?) terminal on the other side of the runway. Having five of them on the ramp at once was common, just about every Scandinavian charter company, and major destination there, was represented. They were regarded in Scandinavia as "shopping trips". There was a small amount of such charters also into Newcastle, especially once the Metro Centre opened, and Edinburgh. They ran all year round.
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The Sunday afternoon (they all came together) Scandinavian charters into Stansted lasted right through to the start of LCC flights, whose daily operations took their business, in fact they probably peaked in the 1980s just before the new terminal opened, so went into the old (wooden ?) terminal on the other side of the runway. Having five of them on the ramp at once was common, just about every Scandinavian charter company, and major destination there, was represented. They were regarded in Scandinavia as "shopping trips". There was a small amount of such charters also into Newcastle, especially once the Metro Centre opened, and Edinburgh. They ran all year round.
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Mooncrest. AirUK used 28 with the 146 as well as the F27. A very useful little runway, especially when a howling westerly was blowing.
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Having driven a vehicle along it this evening (taxiway November now) it's bumpy as hell. I hope it was in better shape when it was a runway.
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Yes Mooncrest, it was fine. I guess if it's not been maintained as a runway for 12 years, it will have deteriorated a bit. Mind you, if you were using it, the turbulence probably dampened any bumps. 
I'm way out of it. Having first operated into LBA in '79, I was based there 81-92, but haven't operated there since I left the F100 fleet in '99.
I'm way out of it. Having first operated into LBA in '79, I was based there 81-92, but haven't operated there since I left the F100 fleet in '99.
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The Sunday afternoon (they all came together) Scandinavian charters into Stansted lasted right through to the start of LCC flights, whose daily operations took their business, in fact they probably peaked in the 1980s just before the new terminal opened, so went into the old (wooden ?) terminal on the other side of the runway. Having five of them on the ramp at once was common, just about every Scandinavian charter company, and major destination there, was represented. They were regarded in Scandinavia as "shopping trips". There was a small amount of such charters also into Newcastle, especially once the Metro Centre opened, and Edinburgh. They ran all year round.
Prior to the 'new' terminal opening in 1969 the original facilities were based in former WWII Nissan huts.
Those Scandinavian flights operated throughout the day each Sunday with the first arrival of the day being in the morning by Transair using Caravelle/B721 and the last flights of the day around midnight by Conair using B720 and towards the end A300/A320.
Scandinavian airlines that operated these charters were,
Braathens SAFE
Busy Bee
Conair
Lynjeflyg
Mearsk
Premair
SAS
Scanair
Sterling
Transair Sweden
